Player topic: Sergio Aguero (2014/15)

[cleavers]

Re: Sergio Aguero

anything prior to this is pure conjecture.

or an attempt to wind people up ?

 

[chris85mcfc]

Re: Sergio Aguero

So you will know that isolated LCL rupture is unusual and associated with ACL and PCL tear....which is my fear.
To try and pick an isolated LCL clinically is difficult for Orthopaedic Consultants, so to expect a junior doc to do so is expecting a lot. As you know a knee can appear stable immediately after an injury due to swelling rendering the anterior draw test, Lachmanns and pivot shift test useless. We won't know for sure until he has had an MRI and anything prior to this is pure conjecture.

hence the negativity you have been getting with your immediate diagnosis

No. Everybody has reassured themselves that it is best case scenario, 4 weeks, move on. What I'm saying is that we need to temper our optimism. I'm not so sure. We will find out fairly soon I hope. Just trying to let everybody down gently.

And my guess is that if we find out it is only a month, then you'll head off back to Redcafe with your tail between your legs

 

[fairhurst1]

Re: Sergio Aguero

With a complete lateral collateral rupture (which they usually are as you well know) most of the time. They are usually missed by junior docs in casualty in my experience and require delayed reconstruction.

So you will know that isolated LCL rupture is unusual and associated with ACL and PCL tear....which is my fear.
To try and pick an isolated LCL clinically is difficult for Orthopaedic Consultants, so to expect a junior doc to do so is expecting a lot. As you know a knee can appear stable immediately after an injury due to swelling rendering the anterior draw test, Lachmanns and pivot shift test useless. We won't know for sure until he has had an MRI and anything prior to this is pure conjecture.

Conjecture indeed!
No way was that the correct mechanism of injury for an LCL injury anyway.
Still maintain he would not have walked off the pitch with a major ligament injury. Physio would not have allowed it.

Fingers and all else crossed.

I think there is a crumb of comfort there. Normally with ACL ruptures you hear a pop followed by immediate swelling. What has bothered me is that the scan has been delayed due to the amount of swelling. This suggests a haemarthrosis which you normally get with ACL tears.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Re: Sergio Aguero

Yeah. Me too. How often have you seen a postero lateral corner injury?

With a complete lateral collateral rupture (which they usually are as you well know) most of the time. They are usually missed by junior docs in casualty in my experience and require delayed reconstruction.

So you will know that isolated LCL rupture is unusual and associated with ACL and PCL tear....which is my fear.
To try and pick an isolated LCL clinically is difficult for Orthopaedic Consultants, so to expect a junior doc to do so is expecting a lot. As you know a knee can appear stable immediately after an injury due to swelling rendering the anterior draw test, Lachmanns and pivot shift test useless. We won't know for sure until he has had an MRI and anything prior to this is pure conjecture.

If there's one thing I cannot abide it's people who gratuitously use fancy words in order to demonstrate to a wider audience just how intelligent they are. It reeks of insecurity.

 

[blueinsa]

Re: Sergio Aguero

With a complete lateral collateral rupture (which they usually are as you well know) most of the time. They are usually missed by junior docs in casualty in my experience and require delayed reconstruction.

So you will know that isolated LCL rupture is unusual and associated with ACL and PCL tear....which is my fear.
To try and pick an isolated LCL clinically is difficult for Orthopaedic Consultants, so to expect a junior doc to do so is expecting a lot. As you know a knee can appear stable immediately after an injury due to swelling rendering the anterior draw test, Lachmanns and pivot shift test useless. We won't know for sure until he has had an MRI and anything prior to this is pure conjecture.

If there's one thing I cannot abide it's people who gratuitously use fancy words in order to demonstrate to a wider audience just how intelligent they are. It reeks of insecurity.

Brilliant GDM :-)

 

[Phil1]

Re: Sergio Aguero

With a complete lateral collateral rupture (which they usually are as you well know) most of the time. They are usually missed by junior docs in casualty in my experience and require delayed reconstruction.

So you will know that isolated LCL rupture is unusual and associated with ACL and PCL tear....which is my fear.
To try and pick an isolated LCL clinically is difficult for Orthopaedic Consultants, so to expect a junior doc to do so is expecting a lot. As you know a knee can appear stable immediately after an injury due to swelling rendering the anterior draw test, Lachmanns and pivot shift test useless. We won't know for sure until he has had an MRI and anything prior to this is pure conjecture.

If there's one thing I cannot abide it's people who gratuitously use fancy words in order to demonstrate to a wider audience just how intelligent they are. It reeks of insecurity.

Tru dat

 

[flb]

Re: Sergio Aguero

So you will know that isolated LCL rupture is unusual and associated with ACL and PCL tear....which is my fear.
To try and pick an isolated LCL clinically is difficult for Orthopaedic Consultants, so to expect a junior doc to do so is expecting a lot. As you know a knee can appear stable immediately after an injury due to swelling rendering the anterior draw test, Lachmanns and pivot shift test useless. We won't know for sure until he has had an MRI and anything prior to this is pure conjecture.

Conjecture indeed!
No way was that the correct mechanism of injury for an LCL injury anyway.
Still maintain he would not have walked off the pitch with a major ligament injury. Physio would not have allowed it.

Fingers and all else crossed.

I think there is a crumb of comfort there. Normally with ACL ruptures you hear a pop followed by immediate swelling. What has bothered me is that the scan has been delayed due to the amount of swelling. This suggests a haemarthrosis which you normally get with ACL tears.

Well done on Googling ACL tears

 

[CAPTAINKIPPAX]

Re: Sergio Aguero

Last few pages look like a script from fookin Casualty ;-) I'm no expert and haven't swallowed a medical journal but I know what I see and trained highly qualified medical personnel allowed him to walk off ! I'm thinking if there was any catastrophic tear or rupture he'd have been stretchered for sure.

 

[fairhurst1]

Re: Sergio Aguero

With a complete lateral collateral rupture (which they usually are as you well know) most of the time. They are usually missed by junior docs in casualty in my experience and require delayed reconstruction.

So you will know that isolated LCL rupture is unusual and associated with ACL and PCL tear....which is my fear.
To try and pick an isolated LCL clinically is difficult for Orthopaedic Consultants, so to expect a junior doc to do so is expecting a lot. As you know a knee can appear stable immediately after an injury due to swelling rendering the anterior draw test, Lachmanns and pivot shift test useless. We won't know for sure until he has had an MRI and anything prior to this is pure conjecture.

If there's one thing I cannot abide it's people who gratuitously use fancy words in order to demonstrate to a wider audience just how intelligent they are. It reeks of insecurity.

Which words don't you understand?

 

[cleavers]

Re: Sergio Aguero

What has bothered me is that the scan has been delayed due to the amount of swelling.

And you know this how exactly ? (especially from where you are in the world) - more conjecture perhaps ?