Player topic: Yaya Toure (2014/15)

[Rolee]

Re: Yaya?

Trying to stay neutral and objective here.
I find it hard to understand how on earth he could be picked as motm. Until the sending off, he was pretty much invisible, someone United just passed through, or walked by, in their attacks. Maybe the club had arranged a deal with Sky to name him motm in order to boost the big mans confidence.

However, with more time on the ball, with less pressure from the United midfield, he immediately looked much better, and once Fernadinho came in, Yaya could finally play in his best position, as an CAM. With both Fernand's behind him, he could focus on attack only. In that position he is still one of the best players in the world. Why on earth he is not always played there I do not understand.

He doesn't play there because 1. That is where Silva operates, you start Yaya there and that area becomes too congested with our two most creative players tripping over each other and 2. Because Yaya doesn't( can't) press well enough, if Yaya is in that advanced role it gives the opposition's deep plying playmaker too much time and space to dictate the play.

Silva is equally efficient working from one of the wings, drifting into the channels, cutting inside. I would prefer to see Manuel drop his two-man strike force against strong opposition, play with Kun as a lone striker with Silva/Jovetic/Nasri/Navas/Milner working to his left and right. This would allow for Yaya to be played behind our front three, dictating our attack.

Silva has consistently been the most creative player in the PL for the past 4 seasons and you want him to stick him out on the left? No, not for me.

If Yaya does play further up then who do we use to take the ball from defence and set up our attacks?

 

[Mancitybluemoon1]

Re: Yaya?

Who from?
His attacking was good. His defending was rank.
Push him up the pitch away from defending and we will have a good season. Him him in a defensive role and we will have a new manager in the summer.

Since YAYA came to our club he has always been the same we should all know that and live with it, because he has delivered the trophies on the field while he's been here... A world class player on the ball and very average it off it that's YAYA

To some extent "he's always been the same", but he is ageing and the physical issues will only increase. He's still a great sight when he picks up the ball and gets up a head of steam. But he's slow over the first 10m. He can run in straight lines but not so well from side to side. If he's caught flat footed he has the turning circle of a cruise liner. It takes him a while to get his breath back after a barnstorming run. He's always been like that but its becoming more noticeable these days. The criticisms of him being being lazy have generally been unjustified, its more to do with his physique. But he's not going to change physically for the better.

The question really is whether the things that he does well, like the pass leading to our goal yesterday, justify keeping in the team as our main playmaker. Whether City accept his physical limitations and set up the team to compensate for them. I still think he brings plenty to the team. We're simply not as good without him. And we dont have a ready made replacement. But we will have to find one.

I agree....without that moment of greatness we would not have got that winning goal and agree completely on your other points....its about setting up the team to compensate for his limitations......We have got to be truthful when it comes to Yaya....due to age/physical limitations catching up this season...he is no longer the "complete" midfielder....(teams are able to pretty much walk past him when it comes to his defensive duties).....So what we've got to ask ourselves is....should/would Pelle change his system to compensate??? and if not, should this be Yaya's last season as a blue?? Whether we like it or not playing a 2man midfield with Yaya is not going to work against 11men, stronger teams in the Prem or the CL.....so whats the answer?

 

[Rolee]

Re: Yaya?

Since YAYA came to our club he has always been the same we should all know that and live with it, because he has delivered the trophies on the field while he's been here... A world class player on the ball and very average it off it that's YAYA

To some extent "he's always been the same", but he is ageing and the physical issues will only increase. He's still a great sight when he picks up the ball and gets up a head of steam. But he's slow over the first 10m. He can run in straight lines but not so well from side to side. If he's caught flat footed he has the turning circle of a cruise liner. It takes him a while to get his breath back after a barnstorming run. He's always been like that but its becoming more noticeable these days. The criticisms of him being being lazy have generally been unjustified, its more to do with his physique. But he's not going to change physically for the better.

The question really is whether the things that he does well, like the pass leading to our goal yesterday, justify keeping in the team as our main playmaker. Whether City accept his physical limitations and set up the team to compensate for them. I still think he brings plenty to the team. We're simply not as good without him. And we dont have a ready made replacement. But we will have to find one.

I agree....without that moment of greatness we would not have got that winning goal and agree completely on your other points....its about setting up the team to compensate for his limitations......We have got to be truthful when it comes to Yaya....due to age/physical limitations catching up this season...he is no longer the "complete" midfielder....(teams are able to pretty much walk past him when it comes to his defensive duties).....So what we've got to ask ourselves is....should/would Pelle change his system to compensate??? and if not, should this be Yaya's last season as a blue?? Whether we like it or not playing a 2man midfield with Yaya is not going to work against 11men, stronger teams in the Prem or the CL.....so whats the answer?

Pogba

 

[yayas trusty right foot]

Re: Yaya?

He was excellent yesterday, as he invariably is against the rags.

Fail to press and give him time to play, and he'll always hurt you because he's such a good passer - the ball through to Clichy was beautiful, as we're another couple he slipped in for Navas and Zaba. Get in his face early on and he can struggle. That's been his 'problem' this season, as it has been for the past three - has nothing to do with any nonsense about 'not trying' etc.

The pass to Clichy was pass of the season for me and he got so little credit of it on TV..

Fantastic player, hope we can keep him for a few more years yet..

 

[alib]

Re: Yaya?

great performance yesterday from the big fella when it mattered
more of the same please?

 

[Dribble]

Re: Yaya?

He was excellent yesterday, as he invariably is against the rags.

Fail to press and give him time to play, and he'll always hurt you because he's such a good passer - the ball through to Clichy was beautiful, as we're another couple he slipped in for Navas and Zaba. Get in his face early on and he can struggle. That's been his 'problem' this season, as it has been for the past three - has nothing to do with any nonsense about 'not trying' etc.

The pass to Clichy was pass of the season for me and he got so little credit of it on TV..

Fantastic player, hope we can keep him for a few more years yet..

Yaya is a precious resource who needs our protection. Alas this won't happen if we continue to play a 6ft 4", 14 st+ 31 year old in a 2 man midfield in the Premier League, in Europe and most of our cup competitions too.......

 

[waspish]

Re: Yaya?

To some extent "he's always been the same", but he is ageing and the physical issues will only increase. He's still a great sight when he picks up the ball and gets up a head of steam. But he's slow over the first 10m. He can run in straight lines but not so well from side to side. If he's caught flat footed he has the turning circle of a cruise liner. It takes him a while to get his breath back after a barnstorming run. He's always been like that but its becoming more noticeable these days. The criticisms of him being being lazy have generally been unjustified, its more to do with his physique. But he's not going to change physically for the better.

The question really is whether the things that he does well, like the pass leading to our goal yesterday, justify keeping in the team as our main playmaker. Whether City accept his physical limitations and set up the team to compensate for them. I still think he brings plenty to the team. We're simply not as good without him. And we dont have a ready made replacement. But we will have to find one.

I agree....without that moment of greatness we would not have got that winning goal and agree completely on your other points....its about setting up the team to compensate for his limitations......We have got to be truthful when it comes to Yaya....due to age/physical limitations catching up this season...he is no longer the "complete" midfielder....(teams are able to pretty much walk past him when it comes to his defensive duties).....So what we've got to ask ourselves is....should/would Pelle change his system to compensate??? and if not, should this be Yaya's last season as a blue?? Whether we like it or not playing a 2man midfield with Yaya is not going to work against 11men, stronger teams in the Prem or the CL.....so whats the answer?

Pogba

He looks a great player but he is over hyped by some blues also he hasn't played in the premier which like everyone knows is the hardest league in Europe not the Micky mouse Italian league

 

[Marvin]

Re: Yaya?

That was like Yaya Toure from last season.

You get the general impression that he had a good game when you're at the match, then you watch the highlights later and you see that he was at the heart of almost everything.

The goal, Navas hitting the post, numerous attacks, he was behind the lot.

Now of course we need some consistency

 

[chedinho]

Re: Yaya?

He was excellent yesterday, as he invariably is against the rags.

Fail to press and give him time to play, and he'll always hurt you because he's such a good passer - the ball through to Clichy was beautiful, as we're another couple he slipped in for Navas and Zaba. Get in his face early on and he can struggle. That's been his 'problem' this season, as it has been for the past three - has nothing to do with any nonsense about 'not trying' etc.

The pass to Clichy was pass of the season for me and he got so little credit of it on TV..

Fantastic player, hope we can keep him for a few more years yet..

only 10 games into the season,i reckon there will be a few more beauties yet ;-)

dont think he is anywhere near his best,let alone last seasons performances,when we had The King and Lakey taken away from us,i thought i would never see their like again.Then we buy Yaya,im going to enjoy watching him play,just in case...

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

Re: Yaya?

As usual, he had more touches of the ball than any other player on the park and completed the most passes. His pass completion was the best of any player and he made the perhaps the pass of the game to Clichy in the move that led to the City goal.

You're wasting your breath. The Ya Ya haters have got their fingers in their ears! I thought he was a contender for MotM yesterday, because when used properly (ie with the right supporting cast) he again demonstrated that there is no other midfield player in the Premiership that can run a game like he can