Policing in the UK

[mosssideblue]

tbh I thought the first kick was in response to the guuy on the flooor suddenly turning his head, its the stamp that will get the copper in trouble. The family, the guys who were attacked, they've fucked up on their journey to massive compensation.

I think another problem he has is the way he treated the second guy who was sat with is hands in the air

 

[cookster]

so you felt it was proper to question the posters unsubstantiated post but cannot substantiate your denial? Playground stuff.

The same source is saying it was an "attempted assassination" so forgive me if I don't believe his word to be the gospel.

 

[hammocity]

Life in danger? Shoot to neutralize the threat.
Life not in danger? Don’t shoot and neutralize the threat non-lethally.

Simple.

As an armed officer, you do not get into a fisticuffs, rolling around on the floor, altercation. Losing control of your firearm is a statistical death sentence.

- Keep distance and require compliance.
- Once compliance is achieved, move in to neutralize the threat.

Compliance not occurring?
Use all available tools, in and escalating manner, to achieve compliance and neutralization of threat.

It’s not hard to understand, but it can be much harder to achieve, especially under stress and duress, not to mention physical threat. Adrenaline spikes, but the flight impulse is not available. That means all threats require a response.

Armed officers are trained to utilize that heightened state to their advantage, rather than detriment, understanding they’re officers of the state, not street brawlers with weapons.

Crossing lines, esp lines that feel like they’re blurring, can occur almost instantaneously, so that impulse has to be managed and the ability to neutralize using lethality has to be actively suppressed by a mental trigger that cannot be wrong even once.

Am I in fear for my life?
Is lethality warranted?
If not, am I putting myself in peril?
If so, I need to use non-lethal neutralization until I do fear for my life.
Am I in fear for my life now?
Is lethality warranted?
If so, neutralize the threat using lethal means, with the intent to neutralize not kill.

Now, go back and run that little decision tree through your head, on 10x speed repeat, while involved in an altercation, perhaps about to turn physical or already at that level, with lots of noise, the potential for more than one threat, and the real possibility that escalation can occur both instantaneously and without warning!

Welcome to being an armed LEO!!

During my own training, I was involved in a computer simulation training event. It was my first, no shit, “pull the trigger at someone threatening you” event, where I was “shooting” a real gun that fired a momentary laser burst that simulated the gun shot and made the sound of gunfire.

After I neutralized the threat and the simulation ended, we were to review the event on the 10 x 10 video wall upon which I was shooting.

Before we ran the replay of the event, I was asked questions about what happened, when, and how much…

1) Why did you shoot when you shot?
2) Why didn’t you shoot sooner?
3) Did you hit the person with every shot?
4) Where did you hit them?
5) How many shots did you fire?

My answers were easy…

1) Had clean shot based on my skill level
2) No clean shot for my skill level
3) Yes, I hit him with every shot
4) Center mass
5) Two

Reality?

1) Good decision.
2) Good choice. Had momentary head shot, but so far, you’ve only been trained to shoot center mass (basically, the chest) and the chance of success was slim.
3) No! One shot missed past right arm.
4) We’ll come back to that answer…
5) SIX, two bursts of 3 shots!!!!

Now, 4 again…

Burst #1: Center mass, center mass, missed past right arm as he moved back.

Burst #2: As he was falling to the ground, shoulder, belly and then, as he hit the ground and slumped back…shot his cock off!!

NO WAY! Didn’t believe I shot 6 times, thought “both” shots were good center mass shots and definitely didn’t believe I shot him in the bollocks while he was on the ground!

In short, I had so much adrenaline, that I just couldn’t remember, or visualize,what REALLY happened, because I couldn’t process it!

Thankfully, the exercise was early enough in the training that we learned how to calm the fuck down, take our time, FULLY realize what we’re doing, and be in full control of our faculties after before, during, and after drawing the firearm.

To bring it full circle, I can somewhat understand the adrenaline-soaked reaction of the cop who kicked and stomped on the perp while he was on the ground. I can understand it, because it may have been an almost autonomic response to the adrenaline rush.

However, what I cannot understand is how someone who is not in a life threatening situation, and is a trained firearms officer with airport duties, fails to control their emotions under the circumstances I saw in that video. Indeed, we are lucky he reverted to his basest instincts, rather than using his firearm, to address his anger.

At least he will only lose his job and maybe get smacked a bit by the system, rather than end up in jail for murder…unlike the Illinois cop who just shot an old black lady in the face when he had numerous other choices!

Good post, I just hope the Officer doesn't lose his job, retrained, mentored, whatever.

 

[hammocity]

I've no idea. But you've made your mind up that nothing whatsoever happened and the Mum wasn't racially abused. I've just no idea how you know this?

Ffs, read my post, I said there's zero proof, if there is I'm all ears, I'm not intransigent to evidence and I've not said it didn't happen but so far only the **** who is the "family lawyer" and lives a 100 miles away is the only one spouting this.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

If the mum waas racially abused and police then went on to arrest them thats a whole new perspective. It sounds like many fuck ups on all fronts by all involved. But its a fast moving case so lets see.

 

[argyle]

So they were not actually a bunch of innocents, were they.

Whilst their lawyer is banging on about criminal charges, why haven’t any of them been arrested?

I may have answered my own question, but dare not mention the R word.

They have been arrested and are on bail? Nothing to do with perceived racism.

Their lawyer is a known dickhead who is using this incident to raise his own profile.

 

[bluemc1]

I think another problem he has is the way he treated the second guy who was sat with is hands in the air

Nah no issue there for me, the lad who had just rained blows down on him is sat there after with his hands up with nobody restraining him, the cop goes towards him shouting get down get down, the lad doesn’t instantly react
He kicks his thigh to get him down then forearms his back while he’s down
You think after everything that went on and how those lads were behaving that the way he dealt with that is going to get him in trouble ?

 

[metalblue]

No he deserved to be tasered, handcuffed, arrested and charged with multiple counts of assault or whatever the appropriate charge is for punching several people. He might have deserved a kicking but it’s not up to the police to administer it. As it is that copper, by his actions, made the perpetrator a victim. Hopefully it won’t affect any charges that should be brought.

You’re assuming two things, the officer was administering a form of instant retribution and secondly being thumped around the head a few times doesn’t impact your ability to think clearly. You can’t possibly know his state of mind nor his motivations, no one can. As a firearms trained officer he is going to have has been trained to deal with volatile situations and will have been assessed. Only the officer in question knows the truth about his actions.

 

[balotellishaircut]

I think another problem he has is the way he treated the second guy who was sat with is hands in the air

You know what iv not read one post from you vilifying the two lads that started all this trouble by attacking and punching airport police officers doing there jobs, it’s all against the police in your posts.

 

[Sheikh rattle and roll]

I would wait and see and judge when all the facts are known
There is more to come out yet which will be dynamite again