Political relations between UK-EU

[west didsblue]

I think they're in denial...

A long way to go to accepting it's crap.

Yep.
And trying to cover their denial by waffling about management theory by repeating extracts from the Change Management textbook. Slightly interesting if you’re revising for your MBA exams. Boring as fuck and largely irrelevant for those that aren’t.

 

[bluethrunthru]

of course standards were always going to be maintained - mad as fuck - DDT and Agent Orange next?

Government to let farmers use bee-killing pesticide banned by EU

‘We need urgent action to restore the abundance of our insect populations, not broken promises that make the ecological crisis even worse,’ says Wildlife Trusts

www.independent.co.uk

 

[bluethrunthru]

the Japanese negotiating team saw the desperation in Truss' s eyes - what was that about our "professional" negotiating team?

 

[bluethrunthru]

looking good

Chocolates and beer: Buying from Belgium after Brexit

Companies that trade with the UK say higher prices and less choice are on the way.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[west didsblue]

the Japanese negotiating team saw the desperation in Truss' s eyes - what was that about our "professional" negotiating team?

Should have had a cheese work stream and this wouldn’t have happened.

 

[BobKowalski]

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Bob and others are set to have some fun, at the UK's expense, for months because the lack of such management must mean that literally 1000s of things that could have been identified and a resolution/policy/mitigation determined are going to emerge

Correct, but the point you fail to appreciate is that the issues that emerge are a feature of Brexit, not a bug because of lack of planning or incompetence.

If you raise trade barriers and introduce friction where previously there was none you will have issues because management of these issues is now in the hands of Govt officials and management of an issue will never be as efficient as eliminating the issue.

The referendum could only be won by falsely pretending that we would have no issues if we left, indeed the claim was things would be better. As soon as we raised a trade barrier, built a lorry park or introduced an internal customs border, Brexit was lost.

Even worse, the UK then signed a deal where seeking mitigation of the effects of Brexit hands power to the EU, and this on top of leaving one sovereign UK nation still under the EU economic writ.

Our choice is stark, seek to diverge in an attempt to make Brexit ‘worth’ four years of division and pain and we will have more pain. Tack closely to EU rules and regulations to ease the pain and we become rule takers with no ability to shape the rules.

Reality is a woman.

 

[west didsblue]

Correct, but the point you fail to appreciate is that the issues that emerge are a feature of Brexit, not a bug because of lack of planning or incompetence.

If you raise trade barriers and introduce friction where previously there was none you will have issues because management of these issues is now in the hands of Govt officials and management of an issue will never be as efficient as eliminating the issue.

The referendum could only be won by falsely pretending that we would have no issues if we left, indeed the claim was things would be better. As soon as we raised a trade barrier, built a lorry park or introduced an internal customs border, Brexit was lost.

Even worse, the UK then signed a deal where seeking mitigation of the effects of Brexit hands power to the EU, and this on top of leaving one sovereign UK nation still under the EU economic writ.

Our choice is stark, seek to diverge in an attempt to make Brexit ‘worth’ four years of division and pain and we will have more pain. Tack closely to EU rules and regulations to ease the pain and we become rule takers with no ability to shape the rules.

Reality is a woman.

You just don’t understand change management ;-)

 

[Saddleworth2]

You just don’t understand change management ;-)

I think the point has got lost in the telling. The simple truth is that some of these frictions could have been eased by better planning and implementation. In effect that is what the Scottish Salmon producer accused the government of yesterday. He wasn’t railing against Brexit. He was simply asking for clarity of process so he and his delivery line could comply.

as I said to vic yesterday, take the piss all you like but despite all the additional frictions, this would have been better with a semi competent government planning and implementing the bloody thing properly.

 

[west didsblue]

I think the point has got lost in the telling. The simple truth is that some of these frictions could have been eased by better planning and implementation. In effect that is what the Scottish Salmon producer accused the government of yesterday. He wasn’t railing against Brexit. He was simply asking for clarity of process so he and his delivery line could comply.

as I said to vic yesterday, take the piss all you like but despite all the additional frictions, this would have been better with a semi competent government planning and implementing the bloody thing properly.

I don’t disagree that proper management would have mitigated some of the consequences. What I don’t agree is that it is purely an issue of poor management. If the unnecessary obstacles hadn’t been introduced there wouldn’t be a need for careful management of the issues. If there were some tangible benefits to make it worth having to manage a whole load of issues then I am yet to see what they are - not even one. In the meantime I will continue to take the piss out of anyone who thinks problems are just down to bad planning.

 

[Saddleworth2]

I don’t disagree that proper management would have mitigated some of the consequences. What I don’t agree is that it is purely an issue of poor management. If the unnecessary obstacles hadn’t been introduced there wouldn’t be a need for careful management of the issues. If there were some tangible benefits to make it worth having to manage a whole load of issues then I am yet to see what they are - not even one. In the meantime I will continue to take the piss out of anyone who thinks problems are just down to bad planning.

I don’t think I ever said that but take the piss as you please :-)