Political relations between UK-EU

meltonblue said:
Doesn’t matter if you have the best change management processes in the world if you set off with a vision that has incompatible requirements. At some point you either have to face into that, highlight that you’ve delivered what you consider the priority requirements or lie about it and hope no one notices.

That or, and this is very common in the business world, you move onto the next role or company before the consequences and the true benefits or return on investment play out. The cv looks great as you can focus on the delivery and blag the consequences. Harder to do in a five year term of parliament though...
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Correct

If you do things right - or escape before being tarred

Myself and others are saying the management of Brexit was shambolic

But I can see a silver lining;-)
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
If they can’t sort an orange order out in Belfast, what hope have we got?

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I ordered four live crabs for New Year’s Eve from a London supplier and FedEx were given the delivery. It said on the box fresh produce, deliver before mid-day, do not return to depot.
Suffice to say it didn’t arrive Thursday. They don’t deliver New Year’s Day. It didn’t arrive Saturday. They don’t work Sunday so they told me it would be there Monday. Suffice to say it arrived Tuesday with four dead crabs, defrosted fish and lobster tails, stinking to high heaven. All went to waste.

Fucking Brexit.
 
squirtyflower said:
I ordered four live crabs for New Year’s Eve from a London supplier and FedEx were given the delivery. It said on the box fresh produce, deliver before mid-day, do not return to depot.
Suffice to say it didn’t arrive Thursday. They don’t deliver New Year’s Day. It didn’t arrive Saturday. They don’t work Sunday so they told me it would be there Monday. Suffice to say it arrived Tuesday with four dead crabs, defrosted fish and lobster tails, stinking to high heaven. All went to waste.

Fucking Brexit.
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Time for @mcfc1632 to own what he has done.
 
BobKowalski said:
It makes me more prescient than the Govt, the Leave Campaigns, and Brexiteers in general.

And we could not have Brexit managed by professionals as a major change program because that would imply there would be major changes and that was not how Brexit was packaged and sold.

Politically we couldn’t even admit there would be major changes, the last election was won on ‘getting Brexit done and over with’ and after that we wouldn’t have to mention it again.

We were trapped by our own rhetoric, major change would show project fear as project reality and you guys denied that reality.

Brexit is a net loser, no matter how well it is managed, which is something you guys cannot accept. You can’t even see that the deal along with the WA cedes control and power to the EU.
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I can just imagine you each morning looking in the mirror and telling yourself that;-)
 
squirtyflower said:
I ordered four live crabs for New Year’s Eve from a London supplier and FedEx were given the delivery. It said on the box fresh produce, deliver before mid-day, do not return to depot.
Suffice to say it didn’t arrive Thursday. They don’t deliver New Year’s Day. It didn’t arrive Saturday. They don’t work Sunday so they told me it would be there Monday. Suffice to say it arrived Tuesday with four dead crabs, defrosted fish and lobster tails, stinking to high heaven. All went to waste.

Fucking Brexit.
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Methinks you may have missed the joke.
 
mcfc1632 said:
Fully agree

And nobody will persuade me that had Brexit been managed as a comprehensive change programme then FS wouldn't have either been included or there would be at least evidence of the governance decision to exclude and alternative plans.

It is just true and daft for people to suggest otherwise
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I get that and I know this thread is supposed to be about, well what do you do now.
The two opposing ideologies in here are never going to agree but from outside Britain looking in I do think Bob has a point about why it was never presented to you as a major change program, prior to referendum.

That is looking back and has been done to death but I think I did write in one of the original threads that if you are putting something as important as this to the people then there should have been a comprehensive booklet or prospectus delivered to each household detailing the consequences of what they are voting on.
Over here we’ve had many referendums, usually about amending the constitution.
Always the altered wording would be presented to the public and what the changes would mean.

In the context of Brexit and treating it professionally like a major change program, then I think before it being put to the people in a binary outcome question there was a lot of other project management steps that were probably missed too.
Project definition was sketchy. Analysis etc.
However, my point is that both sides have been right about elements of the arguments in here.

I think no matter how many different thread titles are started about Brexit in here you are always going to end up referencing the same failures.

How you turn your negatives into positives going forward is beyond me. But life is going to go on regardless.

I do think it wasn’t about trade for those that see the long term benefits for the UK and that in itself is fundamental problem for a those in Britain that don’t share their ideology.

Round and round we go in the same loop. Some see the benefit decades in the future and others doubt the financial pain will be worth it.
 
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