Political relations between UK-EU

[hgblue]

Making the argument that a sovereign nation being in control of it’s own immigration policy is not a good thing is not a vote winner guys. You are divorced from the political reality of this policy.

 

[BobKowalski]

Or the way to look at it is flexible and adaptable to our needs?

The reason there is an ambiguous jobs shortage option is precisely because it can be changed.

It is determined by Govt officials, by definition this is neither flexible nor adaptable.

We are a Services economy, services are people, this is an attempt by the State to manage the economy. Just as Brexit is an attempt to manage new friction in trade, this is an attempt to manage friction in people.

You cannot manage friction anywhere near to the same efficiency as you can by eliminating friction. You eliminate friction by removing Govt from the equation. This is even more true with countries and economies in close proximity to ourselves.

That is just the reality.

 

[stonerblue]

Learning English?

I think it is perfectly acceptable for anyone coming to learn our language before doing so.

It is paramount to effectively integrate arrivals.

Learn the language, get a 'sponsor', (maybe have to pay them a 'fee'), pay a grand for visa, pass a Britishness' test, have £1500 spare savings.......
How many people do you know, that work abroad, speak the language of said country?
I doubt @SWP's back has test standard Arabic? I have family working in Dubai, Norway, Poland and liverpool and not one of them can speak the local lingo.

 

[BobKowalski]

Learn the language, get a 'sponsor', (maybe have to pay them a 'fee'), pay a grand for visa, pass a Britishness' test, have £1500 spare savings.......
How many people do you know, that work abroad, speak the language of said country?
I doubt @SWP's back has test standard Arabic? I have family working in Dubai, Norway, Poland and liverpool and not one of them can speak the local lingo.

I mean, the idea the English need to learn the language before they can work in a different country is hilarious, none of us would leave this island and I include myself in that.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

I thought it was an Ireland wide vote for a unification referendum ... not just Northern Ireland. Perhaps our Irish friends could clarify?

Has to be voted on North and South. Both jurisdictions have to have a majority for it not just overall in the whole island.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

This is just wishful thinking on your part.

There’s far too much conflict for this to take place any time soon.

I don’t think they’ll ever vote on it to be honest.

Well if you read my history on the subject you’ll see it is not wishful thinking on my part.
The rest is just your opinion. That’s fair enough.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Well worth a watch....

 

[mcfc1632]

Every country on the planet controls immigration Bob, for a long time we’ve had a huge amount of people coming that didn’t have the skills we need for the economy, primarily in STEM.

I understand you don’t appreciate the nation state and want no barriers at all but people in communities do want their communities to stay the same and there’s nothing wrong with that.

Controlling the numbers coming isn’t dumb, allowing 500,000 net in per year is dumb and even the Labour Party acknowledge they fucked up.

You’re saying it’s going to be a mess without even giving it a try, points based systems have and do work elsewhere around the world.

Sorry BJ - whilst I fully agree with you - and the points based system is not only the most sensible method (as recognised around the world) and also get's rid of the inherent discrimination of FOM - the posts this morning seem to indicate that this could be another day of the same old faces insisting that their way is 'law' - you will have to deal with the topic by yourself

The good news for me is that the way the thread seems to have merged with the Irish politics thread and people are debating immigration (again) suggests that this is another day where the apocalypse is stubbornly hiding

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Surely that’s incredibly subjective?

It’s actually a poor piece of legislation as it’s based on an opinion, based on opinion polls.

Anyway, I would rather NI stayed in the UK as it’s a great country but given the historical connections, a united Ireland isn’t something I am necessarily against, if that’s what they want, certainly nowhere near to the same degree of being against Scotland going.

I only wish the views in NI could swap with Scotland, as they appear to want to stay more.

I think you miss the genius of the GFA and how difficult it was to put together a bit of legislation as you refer to it, that satisfied the aspirations of both communities in the North, all in the South and the foresight of carrying those aspirations into a future electorate.

 

[mcfc1632]

The Somali nurse has exactly the same chance as she/he had before. the nurse from France has less.

And did he/she have as much chance as someone with no nursing skills but lucky enough to have been born in the EU?