Political relations between UK-EU

[mcfc1632]

No @mcfc1632 but you shouldn’t let your own individual fueds on Brexit ideology colour all of your posts to those that agree with you.

You are doing everything you accuse others of.

It’s ok to just comment on the debate in front of you in each post. Not everyone has a hidden agenda in everything they write.

No - but there was a point last night where the discussion went 'inappropriate' IMO

So, quickly......

• It is of course entirely on-topic to discuss the future of N.I on the Brexit thread - especially given how we ended up with the NIP
• By extension - discussing the prospects of a united Ireland also is and therefore
• The steps to achieving that also are

Did it need so many pages? Questionable - but hey many more pages are taken up on lesser topics

What I did not like was the response to your very balanced and poignant post about your personal experience as a youth and which you finished with a comment suggesting that, in the future, there is no room for violence in your opinion:

It's any cost for me Eamo, we left half a million citizens behind and we betrayed them. I grew up through the bombings too, never let the fuckers scare me though.

Maybe it was just me being sensitive - but it did jar with me to find on a Manchester based football forum a Irish Nationalist declaring that future violence was OK in their opinion to achieve unification.

As I say - maybe I was being over-sensitive (I had a team based on the 12th floor in 1996 - and some worked on Saturdays as well) - but people supporting violence to achieve the aim of unification - are IMHO 'off-topic' - it did indeed come across to me as if they had an agenda

Anyway - that was by way of explaining my 'irritation' - I am out of any further discussion on it - and would suggest that there should not be any (certainly not on this thread - I mean the use of violence not the topic of N.I.)

 

[Ban-jani]

'Making the effort' is not the same as 'required to pass a test'.
The UAE has Arabic as it's language and is the predominant one spoken (brit and french next).
The use of English in Dubai is high BECAUSE nobody had to pass a fucking language test to work there.

Well I’d argued international hotspots like the UAE and Qatar, where SWP works, use the international language, which is seen as English.

If I was moving to somewhere like that I wouldn’t learn it, moving to somewhere that isn’t like that, like Chile for example, I’d learn Spanish.

 

[stonerblue]

Well I’d argued international hotspots like the UAE and Qatar, where SWP works, use the international language, which is seen as English.

If I was moving to somewhere like that I wouldn’t learn it, moving to somewhere that isn’t like that, like Chile for example, I’d learn Spanish.

You don't think having to learn the language, as per the uk immigration rules, should be a requirement then?
Cos i'm sure that's what you said earlier?

 

[Ban-jani]

You don't think having to learn the language, as per the uk immigration rules, should be a requirement then?
Cos i'm sure that's what you said earlier?

If Qatar stipulate that Arabic is a must to settle there then that is totally acceptable and within their jurisdiction to do so.

I am merely explaining that they don’t, because it’s an international business hotspot and English is the most widely spoken language in the world. It’s of benefit for them to leave a language test out, whereas for us it benefits us to have the test.

Canada states you must pass an English or French test to settle there, they’ve done it for years.

 

[BobKowalski]

If Qatar stipulate that Arabic is a must to settle there then that is totally acceptable and within their jurisdiction to do so.

I am merely explaining that they don’t, because it’s an international business hotspot and English is the most widely spoken language in the world. It’s of benefit for them to leave a language test out, whereas for us it benefits us to have the test.

Canada states you must pass an English or French test to settle there, they’ve done it for years.

Mandarin, then Spanish. English is third.

 

[stonerblue]

If Qatar stipulate that Arabic is a must to settle there then that is totally acceptable and within their jurisdiction to do so.

I am merely explaining that they don’t, because it’s an international business hotspot and English is the most widely spoken language in the world. It’s of benefit for them to leave a language test out, whereas for us it benefits us to have the test.

Canada states you must pass an English or French test to settle there, they’ve done it for years.

Third behind Mandarin and Spanish.
London is an 'international business spot' as well.
Of course its a benefit to them because it means nobody is barred from entry that can't speak the language.

 

[west didsblue]

It’s actually a poor piece of legislation as it’s based on an opinion, based on opinion polls.

My personal opinion is it’s the greatest piece of legislation in my lifetime,

Not sure the GFA can be both.

 

[metalblue]

Learn the language, get a 'sponsor', (maybe have to pay them a 'fee'), pay a grand for visa, pass a Britishness' test, have £1500 spare savings.......
How many people do you know, that work abroad, speak the language of said country?
I doubt @SWP's back has test standard Arabic? I have family working in Dubai, Norway, Poland and liverpool and not one of them can speak the local lingo.

I doubt @SWP's back could kill someone when ordering a beer in pigeon Arabic but actually ends up ordering a glass of marbles instead. A nurse on the other hand not having a basic grasp of the language of the country they operate in could be quite dangerous and should be a minimum standard. Which is why it is part of the NNMC’s fitness to practice test (including crazy stuff like qualifications) prior to providing a pin to enable them to work.

Anyone working abroad and not choosing to learn the basics will just end up making life harder on themselves. I can’t describe the troubles I had when I first moved to the USA, I particularly recall one episode when trying to explain that someone was off ill when I said they “were poorly” I then had to explain that they did have enough money to get to work but they were in fact unwell but the damage was done.

 

[Ban-jani]

Not sure the GFA can be both.

That specific piece of the legislation is, the entire thing is magnificent

 

[west didsblue]

Mandarin, then Spanish. English is third.

English is first when you include people who speak it as a second language.