Political relations between UK-EU

Fode N The Hole said:
Lexit is the real life version of the unreleased film Borat 1.5, after driving across the USA in an ice cream van with the music stuck on all the time, Azamat snoring and farting in the back and the bear filling up the place with shit. Borat finally gets to the venue to meet Pamela Anderson and propose only to find that she has been cut from the film and this time it's Divine from Pink flamingos.

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Like the analogy but Lexit was the film that was never released due to the lack of coverage.
 
FT reporting ‘UK ports British Ports Association demands govt asks EU/France take more pragmatic approach to Brexit border controls.’

Or non-EU country wants EU countries to waive border controls mandated by law and by treaty.

Yeah, that’s how the EU works. Always happy to do what non-members ask it to do.
 
Rascal said:
Like the analogy but Lexit was the film that was never released due to the lack of coverage.
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It's a bootleg snuff film masquerading as an independent arthouse project.

It got got minimal coverage because it had no support of those in positions of power or any popular support.

You can't make the case to leave the EU on the basis of communist revolutionary theory or Gramscian ideas of class. Values and identity is much more powerful than economic arguments of redistribution and the like. The Brexiteers vision was inherently rooted in the past and that is a big part why it won, many people looking back with rose tinted specs to a time and place that they didn't live in or even learn much about. As I have said before , my experience is most people look backwards not forwards in how they view their politics. British Rail was raised whenever people spoke about nationalisation or public ownership (despite the fact that BR was for a significant part of its history increasingly privatised), they don't look to examples in other countries in the present day. The narrative about BR is more important than the facts and truth, you could quote articles and studies and all manner of evidence and somebody who raised BR would probably turn around and say I was there and know how it was.

Both Owen Jones and Paul Mason have come to realisation that Brexit was always intrinsically and inevitably a racist xenophobic project despite having different viewpoints and leanings.

As Owen Jones raises the point, most people don't want to leave the EU because of neo-liberalism. Most people wouldn't even know what neoliberal economics is, there are still prominent posters on this sub forum who refer to it frequently without actually knowing what it really means. Most people don't have the idea (certainly not fully articulated) that you can have different kinds of capitalism, or the grasp that the capitalism in the UK in this moment is different from how it is expressed in a different country or in a different decade. Why else would austerity have been so successful in enchanting the three major parties for two straight elections in 2010 and 2015? You can't fight the kind of political and economical battles that you want to fight Rascal in a world where you don't have popular appeal and popular support but childish analogies like household budgets take root.



www.newstatesman.com

The UK must embrace a European future or accept isolation and decline

As the world divides into regional superpowers – the US, China and the EU – Britain cannot stand alone.
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squirtyflower said:
The EU’s record on vaccinations has been appalling up to now.
They were slow at procuring enough vaccine, at passing the vaccines to be used and have been even slower in delivering the vaccines to patients.

It has been so poor that Germany even went alone and bought their own.

If you add up all the EU vaccinations together they don’t come to a quarter of the UK total.
Bureaucracy at its finest.
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If Germany could do its own vaccination programme then we could've if we were still in the eu?
 
stonerblue said:
If Germany could do its own vaccination programme then we could've if we were still in the eu?
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All countries can. Denmark is doing well with its vaccination roll out, France not so well. It’s country specific and highlights strengths and weaknesses in a country’s healthcare system.

You can see the same with the US. Some States doing poorly, yet others like West Virginia setting a good pace for vaccination.

The Brexit guys need a ‘win’, hence glossing over our high death rate and focussing on the vaccination program. Personally, hats off to us, the NHS and everyone else on getting on with it. Couldn’t give a fuck one way or the other about Brexit when it comes to fucking this virus off.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
This could be made into a separate thread if Mods feel it isn’t on topic...

...but I’ve got a few questions here regarding what peoples’ actual point to their involvement in this thread is:

What did all the most vociferous Remainers on here actually do to prevent Britain leaving the EU?

There’s a very hard obsession with seemingly wanting to bask in some sort of reflected glory of being proven right (what the point in that is I have no idea!); but if you were so adamant Brexit was a bad idea, and when you saw the appallingly shit efforts put in by the Remain campaign... what did you all actually do about it?

Did you demand to speak to your local MP to question the inept or even complete lack of tactics used by the Remain campaign?

Did you create blogs/video channels/websites, did you organise meetings in your area, or even go door-to-door, to try and educate people further than what the Remain campaign were failing at doing?

Did you even get involved in the Remain campaign?

What did any of you actually do that makes you think you have a point with your continual (and very repetitive!) style of posting on this thread?

If you knew it was going to be such a shit show, surely you got off your arses and did something?!

Fair play if you all did get off your arses and do something, but if you did sod all apart vote Remain and then come on Bluemoon to moan at people for five years, then I fail to see what your point is with your posting tactics on this thread.
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Psychedelic Casual said:
If you knew it was going to be such a shit show, surely you got off your arses and did something?!
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If you mean joining some of the campaigns, attending marches, signing petitions, writing to MP’s on numerous occasions, does that give me your permission to post my views on this thread?
 
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