Political relations between UK-EU

smudgedj said:
Ursula had to change the rules when Merkel ordered her to do so.

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Every single country was always at liberty to approve the vaccine themselves and order their own supplies. They all chose to use the centralised EMA approach and the EU procurement. The vaccine rollout is going well in some EU countries and poorly in others. That’s down to their individual health systems. Trying to use our one and only success when it comes to the Pandemic as a Brexit point scoring exercise is pretty pathetic.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
low level = business failing. Raab would be proud of that.

I don't think we are seeing the half of it yet. Fish is merely the first because nothing rots faster than a bad fish deal (wasn't Brexit supposed to hand a massive win to the fishing industry?). Small business exporters, haulage companies, motor parts business's all calling out significant new costs and friction. In fact anyone that is importing or exporting from the single market and from GB to/from NI.

Some of it could have been mitigated for sure, but it hasn't been. Some of it will remain as a inconvenient truth of leaving the single market. Whatever, it is downgrading what we had, not improving it.

What we are seeing in the press increasingly is the reframing of the argument to Brexit is still a good thing its just been implemented in the wrong way. Thats dishonest.

Forget what some posters said once upon a time. The fact is that Brexit is now impacting severely on several sectors of the economy. New emerging problems are highlighted every day. Can you bring yourself to show a little empathy for those that are impacted significantly and a little honesty to admit that there are real today problems?
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Here is a simple question/challenge for you..........

You are experienced in managing change programmes, so...........

Please tell me, if, in 2016 0r 2017, you had been given the workstream/project of the Fishing Industry within this programme and your objectives/intended outcomes were aligned to achieving a smooth transition at the point of cutover....

Are you really saying that you could not have quite readily achieved a set of outcomes that would reflect a smooth transition?

Serious question

If you do not believe that you could quite readily have delivered a smooth transition - given sufficient time, resources, budget and ability to bring forward required policies - please tell me the what on earth are the issues/root causes that would prevent that.

I ask in an attempt to support you and others in moving the debate on.

Of course the question is open to Bob, Vic, dids, Stoner bluethru, ifwe etc.

It would be good to also see their level of understanding of the industry and the management of change programmes

I would be intrigued to compare notes - because, based on what I have gleaned on here, I would be very confident indeed that you would have successfully delivered that workstream and I am absolutely fucking sure that I could have delivered against that remit
 
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Brexit: Just because we enjoy making life that bit more difficult for ourselves.

‘Culture minister Caroline Dineage confirms that as a result of Brexit, musicians and arts touring in the EU "will be required to check domestic immigration and minister rules for each member states in which they wish to tour." That may include a visa or work permit.‘
 
mcfc1632 said:
Serious question

If you do not believe that you could quite readily have delivered a smooth transition - given sufficient time, resources, budget and ability to bring forward required policies - please tell me the what on earth are the issues/root causes that would prevent that.

I ask in an attempt to support you and others in moving the debate on.

Of course the question is open to Bob, Vic, dids, Stoner bluethru, ifwe etc.

It would be good to also see their level of understanding of the industry and the management of change programmes

I would be intrigued to compare notes - because I am absolutely fucking sure that I could have delivered against that remit
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Brexit. Specifically the decision to remove ourselves from the Single Market and Customs Union and create our own separate legal and regulatory regime.

No amount of planning, mitigation or resources can eradicate the barriers that this decision puts in place.

The mistake people made on here when ‘celebrating‘ the deal which gave us tariff free access to the Single Market with no payments and ECJ jurisdiction was in thinking this meant we carried on as before. It didn’t, the EU gave us access, but only after putting a myriad of administrative and regulatory barriers in place that we are finding it difficult, and in some cases impossible, to navigate.

We have kneecapped ourselves and we will waste billions trying to bandage the wounds, yet you can solve most issues easily and with one fixed annual payment. Join the EEA and get Single Market membership. Barriers come down and trade will start to flow again. It will also help with our own internal border down the Irish Sea.

We spent four years trying to get the EU to cave or give us what we had before but at no cost and no ECJ jurisdiction, something that was promised in the referendum. In the end, Johnson gave up and got us a shittier deal with shittier arrangements then fucking Australia and NZ have with the EU.

That is the reality.
 
mcfc1632 said:
Here is a simple question/challenge for you..........

You are experienced in managing change programmes, so...........

Please tell me, if, in 2016 0r 2017, you had been given the workstream/project of the Fishing Industry within this programme and your objectives/intended outcomes were aligned to achieving a smooth transition at the point of cutover....

Are you really saying that you could not have quite readily achieved a set of outcomes that would reflect a smooth transition?

Serious question

If you do not believe that you could quite readily have delivered a smooth transition - given sufficient time, resources, budget and ability to bring forward required policies - please tell me the what on earth are the issues/root causes that would prevent that.

I ask in an attempt to support you and others in moving the debate on.

Of course the question is open to Bob, Vic, dids, Stoner bluethru, ifwe etc.

It would be good to also see their level of understanding of the industry and the management of change programmes

I would be intrigued to compare notes - because, based on what I have gleaned on here, I would be very confident indeed that you would have successfully delivered that workstream and I am absolutely fucking sure that I could have delivered against that remit
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One way of moving the debate on is to recognise the problems in detail. Then a proper discussion on how they could be resolved. That is more useful than a dry hypothetical discussion about what should have been done. Good programme management is fixing forward not looking back. Until you and others admit and recognise that there are issues this thread will remain in its present intellectual limbo.
 
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