Political relations between UK-EU

Fode N The Hole said:
The Labour tradition that harked back to the road to socialism with a reliance on Marxist-leninism was the hard left. I'm using it to distinguish it from the soft left but it's also accepted terminology, even by those within that tradition. I actually think Corbyn was neither as left wing as he thought he was,or his detractors claimed he was. The policies of the party were more akin to a European style social democrats. Corbyn's social views set him out as socially liberal, he was progressive on things like lgbt rights in 1970s, supports buffer zones around abortion clinics and wants to decriminalise cannabis.

I was in favour of Corbyn becoming Leader and a supporter of his during his leadership. I'm also an admirer of Mcdonnell and thought he would have made a better more competent leader. Unfortunately he had said silly stuff in the past about Thatcher and Bobby Sands at fringe meetings and damaged his personal brand. He would have got even more abuse than Corbyn by the press.

theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/01/labour-leadership-contest-new-factions

If you don't like the hard left term perhaps orthodox left is acceptable to you.

Although I'm not convinced that if Benn was alive today and still at the heart of politics that he wouldn't be more a part of the radical left instead.

There were genuine concerns but these more about issues that were primarily consequences of long-term wider structural economic problems. The Brexiteers railing against immigration are a majority in both Southern market towns and Northern former mining towns, there is also greater anti immigrant sentiment in places with less immigrants.

You don't address legitimate grievances that target the wrong issue as the cause by accepting these arguments and sympathising with it in your policies knowing it is wrong.

Boris Johnson openly admitted that he used to the opening line "Britain stood alone" in his Telegraph myth based reports from Brussels. It is sheer delusion on the basis of people like Labour Leave to get into bed with this argument and think that these people will be supporters of Socialism in the future.

I would never tell you that don't belong in the Labour Party. I wouldn't say it to the hardline communists unless there was something deeply unpleasant about their politics and tactics.

But I'm firmly of the view that the hardline element of the Orthodox Left should not ever have a position in the party disproportionate to their numbers and support in wider circles.If that were to happen it would only be as a result of a failure of the Radical, Soft and so called moderates on the right of the party to provide a coherent platform. Labour needs to be the heart of a progressive coalition (with support from Liberal and Greens) led by the Soft-Left.

We should perhaps move the discussion to another thread though mate, as we have moved away from the issue of UK-EU relations.
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Yes we have moved well away from the topic.

At least I have found someone who agrees with me that Corbyn was not that left wing.
 
BobKowalski said:
You specifically linked the two incidents as if they were equivalent.

Peaceful protests and marches are part of our democracy, well, until Patel gets around to banning them.
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The 'link' was made on another poster's laptop, I think. They are extremes, there's no link but a stark contrast. The only common factor is that they represented people who ended up in a minority.
 
EU ambassador to UK won't get full diplomatic status. Unlike the 142 other EU ambassadors around the world.

Because we can.

Makes up for all the fish.
 
Vic said:
Say 142 other countries (not).
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Vic said:
EU ambassador to UK won't get full diplomatic status. Unlike the 142 other EU ambassadors around the world.

Because we can.

Makes up for all the fish.
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Trump tried the same then backed down a few months later.

We will make a big deal over this, irritate 27 European countries for no apparent reason, then back down.

The UK has the strategic acumen of a toddler having a tantrum.
 
People are upset at having to pay customs charges and VAT on items bought and shipped from abroad - MP's answer? Buy British. Two issues with that.
1/ we don't mass manufacture EVERYTHING in the UK.
2/ I was led to believe Brexit was about trading with the world.

Not living up to its billing is it?

www.bbc.co.uk

Brexit: 'I was asked to pay an extra £82 for my £200 coat'

Shoppers buying items from Europe now have to pay customs or VAT charges on those above a certain value.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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