Political relations between UK-EU

[BobKowalski]

It won’t and isn’t.

It will. My mum couldn’t get bananas in her weekly shop. She blamed Brexit and she voted for it.

We will be affected by higher prices and less choice based on the deal we have struck. Just the simple act of posting a parcel to NI and paying higher delivery charges means you are affected. It will impact in hundreds of little ways that will constrain us and cost more.

Restricting the UK population in terms of movement, cultural links, and economically is the whole point of Brexit. That it was sold as the opposite will always be a fault line in the UK. That it was done in a way that ran counter to what the Northern Irish and Scottish people wanted will exacerbate that fault line.

 

[Ban-jani]

It will. My mum couldn’t get bananas in her weekly shop. She blamed Brexit and she voted for it.

We will be affected by higher prices and less choice based on the deal we have struck. Just the simple act of posting a parcel to NI and paying higher delivery charges means you are affected. It will impact in hundreds of little ways that will constrain us and cost more.

Restricting the UK population in terms of movement, cultural links, and economically is the whole point of Brexit. That it was sold as the opposite will always be a fault line in the UK. That it was done in a way that ran counter to what the Northern Irish and Scottish people wanted will exacerbate that fault line.

Does that mean she’s right? I’ve not noticed any price rises nor anything I wanted but couldn’t get. Am I right then?

The economy is why I voted remain but it’s been nowhere near as bad as I feared.
The cultural links and movement of people is a huge positive for me from Brexit. I quite link our culture and I don’t support freedom of movement so it’s a plus.

 

[west didsblue]

It won’t and isn’t.

It will and it is. The fact that it’s incremental and cumulative means that you might not notice for a while but we’re only 3 weeks in. There’s no shortage of stories about people that it’s badly affected already but it is affecting nearly everyone to some extent. Still waiting for a Brexit good news story. Maybe debt collectors will notice a few positives soon as their businesses grow.

 

[Ban-jani]

It will and it is. The fact that it’s incremental and cumulative means that you might not notice for a while but we’re only 3 weeks in. There’s no shortage of stories about people that it’s badly affected already but it is affecting nearly everyone to some extent. Still waiting for a Brexit good news story. Maybe debt collectors will notice a few positives soon as their businesses grow.

I’ve given you the good news but you don’t recognise it as you disagree on immigration.

Regarding the bad news, the economy and issues for people trading is why I voted remain but it’s been nowhere near as bad as I thought and I think people on this thread type ‘bad news AND Brexit’ into a search and go looking for stories of cafes closing down in Kent.

It’s a bit shit but I genuinely think people want it to be a disaster.

Covid is colossal compared to Brexit implications, I think that’s where the focus should be.

 

[west didsblue]

I’ve given you the good news but you don’t recognise it as you disagree on immigration.

Regarding the bad news, the economy and issues for people trading is why I voted remain but it’s been nowhere near as bad as I thought and I think people on this thread type ‘bad news AND Brexit’ into a search and go looking for stories of cafes closing down in Kent.

It’s a bit shit but I genuinely think people want it to be a disaster.

Covid is colossal compared to Brexit implications, I think that’s where the focus should be.

I’ve not noticed any effect on immigration just like you haven’t noticed any effect on the price of your shopping.

The difference is that there’s no shortage of evidence of import and export problems which will inevitably translate to higher prices and less choice.

The impact on immigration will take longer, be less noticeable and might not end up the way you think it will. There is no evidence yet as to what will happen as a result of the new policy and what impact changes to the economy will have.

 

[BobKowalski]

Does that mean she’s right? I’ve not noticed any price rises nor anything I wanted but couldn’t get. Am I right then?

The economy is why I voted remain but it’s been nowhere near as bad as I feared.
The cultural links and movement of people is a huge positive for me from Brexit. I quite link our culture and I don’t support freedom of movement so it’s a plus.

I have no idea, she just blamed Brexit. Every time someone hits a hiccup, a price rise, a shortage in seasonal fruit or veg they are going to blame Brexit, whether they are right or not is irrelevant, that will be the narrative.

The economy is on its knees from Covid so if you think things ‘aren’t that bad’ then I have no idea what you expected, nor am I surprised you like to shutter yourself away from ‘foreigners and their influences’ but there are millions who are not quite so ‘blinkered’ shall we say. For a libertarian you sure do like Govt restricting where people go, and who they mix with. I imagine you popped open the champagne when they scrapped Erasmus. Can’t have our British kids mixing with European ones. They might catch ‘Europeanisem’.

 

[journolud]

I’ve given you the good news but you don’t recognise it as you disagree on immigration.

Regarding the bad news, the economy and issues for people trading is why I voted remain but it’s been nowhere near as bad as I thought and I think people on this thread type ‘bad news AND Brexit’ into a search and go looking for stories of cafes closing down in Kent.

It’s a bit shit but I genuinely think people want it to be a disaster.

Covid is colossal compared to Brexit implications, I think that’s where the focus should be.

I don’t think people need to type in specific search terms to find these bad news stories, they are being reported in the mainstream media, including some that was pro Brexit.

Quite rightly there is an overwhelming focus on COVID but that shouldn’t detract from reporting the realities of Brexit. Most of us are capable of thinking about both and more besides

 

[Ban-jani]

I don’t think people need to type in specific search terms to find these bad news stories, they are being reported in the mainstream media, including some that was pro Brexit.

Quite rightly there is an overwhelming focus on COVID but that shouldn’t detract from reporting the realities of Brexit. Most of us are capable of thinking about both and more besides

There’s stories posted on here that I don’t see reading the Independent, Telegraph etc. that are posted off Twitter.

It may not just be searches but they follow #FBPE accounts and then that’s all their Twitter feed is.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Yup not only fucking up our own ports and surrounding towns prosperity it is affecting Irelands food industry, though I expect leavers won't give a toss abput that bit

Haven’t noticed too many empty shelves here yet, although Tesco is definitely more impacted than Lidl or Aldi, but according to the reports I’ve seen on RTE our hauliers and warehouses are saying that they were more prepared than Britain in general and stockpiled pre-Christmas.

We may see more shortages in the coming three weeks as stockpiles of frozen goods diminish.

In short we haven’t really noticed a huge difference, but about 20 % of small business are being badly impacted through confusion and ill-preparedness. New trade routes and suppliers will be found and life will go on.

It’s difficult to measure with Covid going on too, but I do think using Britain as a link to the continent will be greatly impacted as will casual tourism. I don’t know if I’d drive across anymore. Don’t think I would bring the dog, which is one of the main reasons I bring the car.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Well, only to counter the bloviator's insults that I knew nothing, could I just repeat my post from August 2019 about direct sailings Ireland to the EU?

"It's one good thing to come out of Brexit - fewer HGVs on the M6 and M62 (and should make our trip to Norwich easier without all those Irish lorries heading for Felixstowe). Not so good for transport cafes on the route."

And last November:

"It would be interesting to tot up the benefit of the land bridge to the English economy. Service stations, transport cafes, tax on fuel bought in the UK...

Big benefit for air quality on the A55 / M62, M6, A14. 'Brexit boost for Brum as EU lorries take to the seas.'" I maybe didn't think it would also affect ro-ro via Dover to the same extent.

And the current problems are compounded because the "deal" was left to the last minute. If they really were delaying in the hope that the EU would "move" if we proved we were stupid enough to think we had a viable no-deal option, then Frost and Co are actually guilty of a misjudgment that is already costing us dear.

That’s pretty much the route I take going to my sister in Suffolk.
As I said in another post, I’m not sure I’ll drive again even though the route should be quieter, as I’m not sure what the situation with bringing a pet is.
I usually bring the dog. Not sure about it now. If it’s just a pet passport, fine. He has one already.