Political relations between UK-EU

[mcfc1632]

So your saying the the current Conservative Party in the UK who

Are advocating the return of the death penalty

Propose Sinking dinghies full of asylum seekers in the middle of the channel

Have had the Prime ministers plane decorated in a Union Jack

Looking to deport as many people as legally possible (and changed the law to make it easier)

Social Security measures have killed in excess of 150,000 since 2010 (UN Rapporteur)

Refused to feed disadvantaged kids in the middle of a pandemic

Reduced disability benefits by £30 a week

Are a moderate party? really ?

Your total hatred of the Conservative Party is misplaced

This is the thread relating to the future relations between the UK and the EU

 

[WRicko]

I don’t care who owns the countryside, the environment should be taken care of and wildlife should have somewhere to live. We should be planting trees on this land, not digging it up and whacking concrete on it.

Not sure where you’ve got 32% from, the Guardian says it’s 1.2% in England.

I don’t care what’s happened in the past, I care about the future and how it affects my life in the here and now.

It really isn’t a lazy argument nor is it a trope, these are real people’s lives, that cannot get places at schools, roads congested, trains overran with commuters, doctors waiting lists, noise pollution, light pollution, general pollution, housing crisis.

You can argue the government has failed in these areas but chucking more of the taxpayers money at these issues, whilst contributing to it by having half a million added to the population nearly every year, is lunacy.

We still need immigrants to keep the economy going, there are skills gaps and at no point would I entertain the imbeciles on the fringe right that say we need it down to near zero. But let’s bring it down to stop infrastructure strain and let’s keep it to specific people we need, without discriminating on the grounds of where they come from.

In this Brexit mess, the immigration policy they’ve put together is just about the best thing they’ve done, in a sea of shit.

But the person your responding to has shown you that we are not crowded heck more land is dedicated to golf courses than houses

 

[Ban-jani]

But the person your responding to has shown you that we are not crowded heck more land is dedicated to golf courses than houses

Being overcrowded doesn’t literally mean people falling into the sea.

It means congestion, it means doctors appointments, it means pollution, it means school places and yes housing.

You could say that all of the above can be improved and it can but it costs a fortune of taxpayers money.

It is counterproductive to pay the money, whilst having a net 500,000 enter the country to settle ever year.

The smart thing is to keep allowing those we need in, being more specific on skill set, whilst bringing the numbers down, as to not increase pressure while the investment is being made.

 

[mcfc1632]

Those who funded the Brexit project have far greater aims than just Brexit. They want the destruction of the EU nothing less.

As for the alternative to the EU it is a goal that cannot be spoken, at least by the politicians. Try listening to Bannon for a taste.

Interestingly I have noted echoes of this from certain posters on here.

TBF, the EU are ensuring that no other parties need to engineer things

 

[mcfc1632]

The first modern restriction of immigration to Britain (1905 Aliens Act) was officially to prevent paupers or criminals from entering the country (and deport those who still made it), but the main driver behind it was to control Jewish immigration. And we didn't exactly put out a welcome mat for Jews fleeing the Nazis.

Does Britain’s focus on the Kindertransport hide a guilty conscience?

On December 2, the UK marks 80 years since the rescue of Jewish children from the Nazis, but the fate which befell some of those who made it to Britain is no cause for celebration

www.timesofisrael.com

Should the thread not be about the Future relations between the UK and EU ?

 

[mcfc1632]

How's the stabilising of Iraq going? We did such a grand job there.

Should this thread not be about the future relationship between the UK and EU?

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Your economics is flawed Free movement is a net benefit to the UK I don’t think you realize how intelligent hardworking or well paid the average EU citizen in the UK is

"...a net benefit to the UK." Of course it is. We are a relatively wealthy country so we attract inwards migration. it if it benefits us, then it negatively impacts someone else. And that's the problem. The economic impacts are proven and demonstrable.

And as @Ban-jani correctly points out, infrastructure and services can't be scaled up overnight, like Amazon Web Services. FoM would be fine if movement was roughly equal, so nearly as many Britons went to Poland & Romania as Poles & Romanians came here.

 

[meltonblue]

But the person your responding to has shown you that we are not crowded heck more land is dedicated to golf courses than houses

That’s only potentially true if you discount anyone having a garden.

I’m not disagreeing with the overall sentiment though.

 

[Ban-jani]

So your saying the the current Conservative Party in the UK who

Are advocating the return of the death penalty - Nobody has even put this to parliament for debate, where are you getting this from?

Propose Sinking dinghies full of asylum seekers in the middle of the channel - That was Katie Hopkins, she’s not in the government. Nobody in government has proposed this.

Have had the Prime ministers plane decorated in a Union Jack - The UK government using the UK flag isn’t far right, every government on the planet uses the flag of their nation.

Looking to deport as many people as legally possible (and changed the law to make it easier) - Deporting criminals doesn’t make you far right, it’s happened for decades, under the last Labour government too. The vast majority of deportees, went back to EU nations, when we were an EU member. How is that far right?

Social Security measures have killed in excess of 150,000 since 2010 (UN Rapporteur) - Even if this was correct, that is down to austerity measures, it’s not far right policies in a social sense, it’s neoliberalism.

Refused to feed disadvantaged kids in the middle of a pandemic - They should have done this, absolutely, but they did feed them for one period out of term and drew the line after that. As above, it’s not classed as a far right policy.

Reduced disability benefits by £30 a week - Again, austerity measures aren’t what is normally classed as far right politics.

Are a moderate party? really ? - Yes, just one that displays incompetence. Many aspects of this government are liberal over conservative.

 

[mcfc1632]

The history books will probably record??
Can’t you save it till the EU fractures then you can gloat all you like.
Otherwise you just look rather foolish, and will look even more foolish if the EU doesn’t actually fracture.
There’s more chance of one or two countries leaving the Eurozone than the whole thing collapsing but even that’s unlikely as borne out by Greece which could easily have dropped out when it had its crisis but didn’t.

Oh dear

So much obvious lack of understanding

I will leave you to it