Political relations between UK-EU

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Fred_Quimby said:
The EU are quite happy with the outcome of the ‘deal’. Why should they move. I hear nothing of significance from Jack Frost. All he ever says is words to the effect ‘the EU must change its stance‘ but gives absolutely no indication of which areas they should move in nor any solutions himself. The EU will be quite happy for the Brits to give them a ‘hard’ time as there is absolutely nothing we can do that will ‘hurt’ the EU. They have always known that the ‘they need us more than we need them’ was garbage and I have absolutely no doubt that the peoples of the EU will be fully behind their relative governments.
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Yep. At the moment EU exports to the UK are up due to our inability to service our own market for food, and our exports are down giving them even more of a trade surplus. They’ve invested in improved port facilities to get round the need for a UK land bridge to Ireland. We’re dependent on electricity from France and gas from pipelines that go through the EU. There’s really nothing they need us for apart from access to UK waters for some of their fishing vessels, and that’s not enough to give us much leverage as our fishing boats also need access to EEA waters (Norway) to catch the fish we actually eat. Even their dependence on the UK for financial services is reducing and we're not in much of a position to use what we have left as leverage. All that’s left are lies and bluster which was fine before the chickens started to come home to roost in the form of food and fuel shortages, inflation and reduced income for the poorest. It's a bit harder to bullshit their way through it all when more and more people are noticing what's happening, and are realising that as a country we are being hit harder than anywhere else in Europe. Pretending it's the same everywhere in Europe will only work for the most indoctrinated of the cult.
 
Apparently we have won the ‘sausage war’. Winning the right to sell British sausages in NI has been an amazing triumph and vindication of UK govt strategy of ‘talking tough’.

We are at the ‘Land of Hope and Glory’ stage of negotiations :)
 
Details coming out of EU seem pragmatic and prudent. The offer to NI politicians and civil servants to be part of the governance is a big one. Gives NI the chance to ‘take back control‘.

‘The EU is set to offer “dramatic” changes to how the Northern Ireland protocol, say sources. 4 non-papers will be published under titles relating to Medicines, SPS, Customs & Democratic Participation- i.e. role for NI politicians & civil servants.

EU has already changed its rules to allow generic, NHS medicine into Northern Ire. Essentially, there’s a recognition in Brussels that NI is a small region so certain derogations can apply given the deep political sensitivity involving identity which prevails.

EU will announce measures to invite NI reps into decision-making process for the NIP and SM.

‘We never prescribed or suggested having NI reps present for negotiations because the UK is ‘sovereign’ but we’re suggesting how the process can be made more democratic.’ @euronews
 
It all sounds depressingly bleak. Which would the prospective traveler be advised to bring to the U.K. to barter with the locals: jeans or chocolate?...
 
west didsblue said:
Yep. At the moment EU exports to the UK are up due to our inability to service our own market for food, and our exports are down giving them even more of a trade surplus. They’ve invested in improved port facilities to get round the need for a UK land bridge to Ireland. We’re dependent on electricity from France and gas from pipelines that go through the EU. There’s really nothing they need us for apart from access to UK waters for some of their fishing vessels, and that’s not enough to give us much leverage as our fishing boats also need access to EEA waters (Norway) to catch the fish we actually eat. Even their dependence on the UK for financial services is reducing and we're not in much of a position to use what we have left as leverage. All that’s left are lies and bluster which was fine before the chickens started to come home to roost in the form of food and fuel shortages, inflation and reduced income for the poorest. It's a bit harder to bullshit their way through it all when more and more people are noticing what's happening, and are realising that as a country we are being hit harder than anywhere else in Europe. Pretending it's the same everywhere in Europe will only work for the most indoctrinated of the cult.
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Yeah but can these EU Johnnies play cricket eh?
 
Caught about five minutes of Newsnight on Brexit last night, let's just say, I'm convinced there is part of me that will never stop laughing at the display of just how shameless and ignorant a bunch of people remain in demanding the brittle feelings that underpin their false pride be assuaged...

....it's just that, because this so acutely reveals the horror of our lives - that those with any hand in our establishment will automatically, and faithfully adopt their new role as responsible for shaping the reporting of reality in order to explicitly protect the pride of whichever prideful idiots are currently in the ascendancy, that the laughter never starts.

When it came time to find an academic to interview about the situation between England and France, they proudly proclaimed they had rejected a bunch of 'experts' because they were likely 'pro-Brexit', and instead wheeled out a historian or something. Who dressed it up neatly - France are mourning our leaving the EU.

Yep- France are being emotional! Haha! I Told You They Needed Us!

Except....

France are indeed unhappy and acting proudly. But what does that mean?

We are the ex, now. We are the ex who rejected them. Who said loudly, you need us more than we need you!

Do people usually make make much effort with people who have abandoned and rejected them? Make sure it works out well for them? Support their decisions? Look at how they can contribute towards meeting any mutual needs?

Or is it the other thing, and they they just sometimes go ever so slightly out of their way to make sure they suffer?

I think it depends on character. Obviously, the French are not known for prideful oubursts or outward shows of independence.... barely more than a child on the inside - never having made much of a name for themselves, having set out their own personality, or said much to the world at all.

And so, we can be sure that they are the type who will be looking for ways to crawl back into our good books.

Fuck sakes. Does anyone know the history of French women? Not headstrong or anything are they?


Edit Piaf - had some song about caving in and regretting everything or something ?

Marie Antoinette. Guillotined, saying, Let them eat Cake.

Jean D'arc. Burned alive, saying I Was Born To Do This.

Anne Boleyn! Of course. This was always about Henry VII and stuff. Lets see. She did grant him that divorce didn't she? Godssakes, tell me she didn't obstruct him all the way to the scaffold?

I'm getting a vibe here.... Here's what I used to believe: They don't shave their armpits, rarely bathe, preferring Chanel No.5. It used to be a thing that the schoolgirls used to sleep with the celebrated thinkers and artists to get some experience and confidence - they wanted the world to listen to them. They demanded attention and regard to their importance.

Yeah. I sure feel better for knowing the French look like a woman with wounded pride. We're talking a really shy and needy lot here. No way they would ever make damned sure to publicly punish someone for rejecting them - even at their own expense. To the bitter end. And beyond.

Nope. I'm sure they're sat their right now feeling lonely, lost and inadequate, literally about to pick up the phone and offer to do what it takes to make us feel better.
 
Summerbuzz said:
Caught about five minutes of Newsnight on Brexit last night, let's just say, I'm convinced there is part of me that will never stop laughing at the display of just how shameless and ignorant a bunch of people remain in demanding the brittle feelings that underpin their false pride be assuaged...

....it's just that, because this so acutely reveals the horror of our lives - that those with any hand in our establishment will automatically, and faithfully adopt their new role as responsible for shaping the reporting of reality in order to explicitly protect the pride of whichever prideful idiots are currently in the ascendancy, that the laughter never starts.

When it came time to find an academic to interview about the situation between England and France, they proudly proclaimed they had rejected a bunch of 'experts' because they were likely 'pro-Brexit', and instead wheeled out a historian or something. Who dressed it up neatly - France are mourning our leaving the EU.

Yep- France are being emotional! Haha! I Told You They Needed Us!

Except....

France are indeed unhappy and acting proudly. But what does that mean?

We are the ex, now. We are the ex who rejected them. Who said loudly, you need us more than we need you!

Do people usually make make much effort with people who have abandoned and rejected them? Make sure it works out well for them? Support their decisions? Look at how they can contribute towards meeting any mutual needs?

Or is it the other thing, and they they just sometimes go ever so slightly out of their way to make sure they suffer?

I think it depends on character. Obviously, the French are not known for prideful oubursts or outward shows of independence.... barely more than a child on the inside - never having made much of a name for themselves, having set out their own personality, or said much to the world at all.

And so, we can be sure that they are the type who will be looking for ways to crawl back into our good books.

Fuck sakes. Does anyone know the history of French women? Not headstrong or anything are they?


Edit Piaf - had some song about caving in and regretting everything or something ?

Marie Antoinette. Guillotined, saying, Let them eat Cake.

Jean D'arc. Burned alive, saying I Was Born To Do This.

Anne Boleyn! Of course. This was always about Henry VII and stuff. Lets see. She did grant him that divorce didn't she? Godssakes, tell me she didn't obstruct him all the way to the scaffold?

I'm getting a vibe here.... Here's what I used to believe: They don't shave their armpits, rarely bathe, preferring Chanel No.5. It used to be a thing that the schoolgirls used to sleep with the celebrated thinkers and artists to get some experience and confidence - they wanted the world to listen to them. They demanded attention and regard to their importance.

Yeah. I sure feel better for knowing the French look like a woman with wounded pride. We're talking a really shy and needy lot here. No way they would ever make damned sure to publicly punish someone for rejecting them - even at their own expense. To the bitter end. And beyond.

Nope. I'm sure they're sat their right now feeling lonely, lost and inadequate, literally about to pick up the phone and offer to do what it takes to make us feel better.
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Huh?
 
bluejon said:
Bruce Dickinson from Iron Maiden. Always come across as a decent guy, was very surprised at that.
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True. But if it is worth anything, he did at least apear rational after it, in the sense he was honestly analytical and critical of how it had turned out. Rather than continuing to blindly preach how fantastic it is while everything slowly falls apart like the other indoctrinated zombies.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
Interestingly, the anti-EU movements in the respective countries have apparently all pretty much died a death and most "leave the EU" policies that fringe parties offered have been shelved.
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Apart from Hungarian and Polish governments trying to be fascist enough to get thrown out of the EU. Johnson is doubling down on the gaslighting - voters saying "this isn't the Brexit we voted for" and Johnson saying "yes it is, these are but the broken eggs of the sunlit uplands omelette" - and legislating to take away the independence of the judiciary which will be another reason why the EU wouldn't have us back (the main one being they're doing fine out of Brexit).
 
Coatigan said:
True. But if it is worth anything, he did at least apear rational after it, in the sense he was honestly analytical and critical of how it had turned out. Rather than continuing to blindly preach how fantastic it is while everything slowly falls apart like the other indoctrinated zombies.
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Agreed, and what you wrote is absolutely worth something. He has held his hands up, so he's still on the good list, was just surprised when he came out in favour of brexit. I know maiden have always had a very british element to their band, so maybe he got a bit carried away with that.
 
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