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Political relations between UK-EU
- Thread starter Ric
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I’ve read this several times and can only presume you’d had a drink last night?
What does Chinese culture, that’s existed for thousands of years, have to do with the Chinese Communist Party? And what does me disliking their government have to do with them being content with their culture?
A) This doesn’t surprise me, I’ve had the impression for a while several people on here don’t really like their country much. Self-hatred in a societal sense is very prevalent with some on the left at the moment
B) To be tolerant of other people’s cultures you don’t need to change your own, especially not to match theirs, which is a sort of weird masochism
C) Thankfully your view continues to be hammered in the polls every election and is a small minority view
Who doesn’t like there country ? Says we should change our culture to fit other people ? Change our culture how ? When I think of culture I think of food art and music I don’t see how that’s really got anything to do with the government or I feel no force or compulsion is used. People who complain about immigration with perhaps the exception of the far right do not complain about Reggie music or Indian takeaways etc etc
Really nice to see some objectivity introduced on the thread
I hold very similar views to the ones you express - and the reason that I expressed my views that it would be good if the thread could be forwards looking is because I am hopeful that, as people adapt to the reality that change has happened - they can start to move on with their focus being on the potential for the future rather than being obsessed with the previous 'status quo'
I think that this will happen quite readily - as I mentioned in an earlier post.
Already there are discussions commencing about the role of the UK's Financial Services sector in the EU and some individual countries are making decisions to allow the City to continue using previous arrangements until new ones are agreed
And now that the focus is not on negotiations, but making profit/GDP, I would expect to see a number of IT/Technology enabled changes to processes that addresses/reduces/removes frictions that impacts trade.
For me - the most important test of the scope of the success that Brexit will bring will be the decisions this government brings forward with regards to investment in infrastructure and other programmes.
I am far from a supporter of the Conservatives, or indeed this PM - but I do think that they have an instinct for survival - and for them to survive 2024 they need to be able to point at 'hard differences' that they have made in 'levelling up' - and ideally how those improvements were only possible due to Brexit.
I think that some on here might be surprised about the policies, priorities and decisions that will come forwards in the next 12-18 months
So your going to see leaving as positive because it will allow us to move back towards a more remain like position
I know you haven’t posted much since you joined the forum four years ago but you do realise how quoting and replying works right?Who doesn’t like there country ? Says we should change our culture to fit other people ? Change our culture how ? When I think of culture I think of food art and music I don’t see how that’s really got anything to do with the government or I feel no force or compulsion is used. People who complain about immigration with perhaps the exception of the far right do not complain about Reggie music or Indian takeaways etc etc
The poster I quoted, Vic, said he wants to Change British culture to be more tolerant of other cultures, I am merely saying we don’t and shouldn’t have to.
He was the one who brought up the Chinese government and their culture and I am just as confused as you are about what he meant, he’s not responded to me.
You might want to ask him what he wants to change about our culture to accommodate others and what the Chinese government has to do with culture.
What you are saying is that anyone who voted remain cannot be racist. I don't agree.So your going to deny that the people complain on this thread about immigration or in the referendum voted leave ? Or that those on the far right voted leave ? Or that Farage and his campaign was about immigration
To coin a phrase not all leavers where racist but all racist voted leave
Loads of people voted remain for purely economic reasons, they think they will be worse off out of the EU. It is perfectly rational to do that even for a racist. You own a company, immigrants help you keep your costs down, paperwork is easy, you don't need to pay as much as in a points system, plus you can sell easily in Europe.
In some ways FOM was better for racists. Whatever immigration we needed priority was given to white, Christian countries. Race gives you no points in the new system.
BobKowalski
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In some ways FOM was better for racists. Whatever immigration we needed priority was given to white, Christian countries. Race gives you no points in the new system.
It‘s called Europe.
Funnily enough I’ve been accused of being a racist by that poster and I voted remain, and still would do if I had my time again.What you are saying is that anyone who voted remain cannot be racist. I don't agree.
Loads of people voted remain for purely economic reasons, they think they will be worse off out of the EU. It is perfectly rational to do that even for a racist. You own a company, immigrants help you keep your costs down, paperwork is easy, you don't need to pay as much as in a points system, plus you can sell easily in Europe.
In some ways FOM was better for racists. Whatever immigration we needed priority was given to white, Christian countries. Race gives you no points in the new system.
It’s still biased towards Europeans who are the same ethnicity as ourselves.It‘s called Europe.
hilts
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So your going to deny that the people complain on this thread about immigration or in the referendum voted leave ? Or that those on the far right voted leave ? Or that Farage and his campaign was about immigration
To coin a phrase not all leavers where racist but all racist voted leave
Who knew the W and R were so close to the T and H on a keyboard.
Its actually a subset of Europe which doesn't include all of the white Christian countries, and doesn't include any of the Muslim ones - like Bosnia and Herzogovina, for example. They've applied for EU membership but are a long way off getting in.It‘s called Europe.