Political relations between UK-EU

[smudgedj]

Finally, hard evidence and data, not empty phrases.

Looked through, couldn’t find how this relates to overall trade, ie what percentage in £ of UK imports this applies to, nor can I find what we secured for this reduction in return. Any idea?

Which then brings me to a persistent irritation. This reduction in average tariffs from 7.2% to 5.7% is objectively good news and I assume you believe it to be so, yet you also championed a no deal with the EU which would have seen tariffs being levied. This seems somewhat ‘inconsistent’.

I also assume you are now in favour of the UK keeping in lockstep with the EU on rules and regulations to ensure we do not trigger tariffs on trade with the EU, which would mitigate any reduction in tariffs from elsewhere.

It’s not inconsistent. As an example

Democracy only works when the LOSER accepts the result of a democratic vote.

I didn’t get the no deal I wanted therefore I accepted the trade deal and will make the best of it. You should try it.

 

[Ban-jani]

Bob doesn’t think implementing global freedom of movement overnight will happen or be practicable.

I outlined that you start with neigbouring countries, small Unions (like our own), trade blocs like the EU. It’s a process that will take time, the elimination of barriers to people and trade is the goal

That said, Covid may see a shift to regionalism from globalism. Key industries and supply chains housed within regions and within a defined legal jurisdiction, which may in turn accelerate federalism in trade blocs or a quasi federal structure.

I never said you did, we’ve discussed it enough for me to confidently know your position on free movement. We just completely disagree, which is fine.

 

[BobKowalski]

It’s not inconsistent. As an example

Democracy only works when the LOSER accepts the result of a democratic vote.

I didn’t get the no deal I wanted therefore I accepted the trade deal and will make the best of it. You should try it.

I welcome the deal. The framework keeps the UK in the EU economic orbit. Now we have to negotiate to retrieve what we have lost or failed to secure first time around.

How much trade in £ is covered by the reduction in the external tariff? There appears to be no clear answer on the Govt website.

 

[WRicko]

But - however that pendulum might swing - the most important consideration is that whilst the EU will progress towards full integration - the risk that the UK could be involved has disappeared for generations to come

So, I think that the future looks rosy for the UK

We were not going to further integrate we had loads of opt outs at least not if we did not want to don’t see how it would have been a bad thing anyway

Anyway now we will have years or decades of moving back towards the EU on data, fighting crime, services, etc etc

 

[WRicko]

A points based system that allows the UK to prioritise the skills and numbers needed should be welcomed by all IMO

It will lead to reduced unemployment in the UK

It will lead to improved public and private sector services

It is not inherently discriminatory - as was the system that the UK was obliged to adopt

Re your final point though we may disagree - hatred and bitterness can cause extreme levels of delusion

Until the pandemic we had basically no unemployment and huge number of vacancies and falling rates of immigration

 

[WRicko]

Well that depends on whether we can achieve integration still in trade that’s as seamless as possible. Hopefully technology can bring it.

There’s risks either way, ultimately we’re part of a global economy, anything happening within the EU, or any large trading block, will have an impact on us.

Can never be seamless outside the singlet market and custom union

 

[WRicko]

Indeed:

"The beauty of the points system is we can fix it by making sure more doctors and nurses can reach 70pts. I am sure they are already in the “low jobs category” that grants 20, then if they’re qualified it’s another 20, speak English 10 and if the NHS offers jobs to these people that’s 20 again."

The UK will have total control over how it sets the scoring and can then flex to meet its priorities. It is absolutely commonsense and after a few years of being implemented the benefits will be obvious and irrefutable.

RE:


I have no idea what this means

I read that as being just another desperate attempt to associate Leave voters to being anti-immigration

So your going to deny that the people complain on this thread about immigration or in the referendum voted leave ? Or that those on the far right voted leave ? Or that Farage and his campaign was about immigration

To coin a phrase not all leavers where racist but all racist voted leave

 

[WRicko]

So you think we'll be spending, sorry wasting, our time arguing with the EU
about getting back what we had?
Lol.
Somehow, I doubt it.

Boris practically said as much so yes

Do you think we won’t want in Erasmus or great access for services or passporting for banks or great data sharing to fight crime ?

 

[WRicko]

No it didnt, I actually wanted further integration and a fully federal state with single political parties that operated across the Union. An elected President and single constitution. Nobody had that vision though and the status quo was unacceptable as it is just a neo-liberal club that benefits those with wealth. A fully federated EU could have led to a fully federated Socialist state, with the likes of Labour, Portugals Bloc Esquerida and other Leftist EU parties forming one mass party to campaign for a Socialist state. When remain became the supporters of status quo i came to the conclusion I cant support that and initially i was unsure so abstained in the actual vote. I do consider myself fairly well educated but the complexity of the debate was overwhelming for me, for others it was much simple such as they wanted to end all immigration, or they wanted to carry on travelling to their holiday home in the Languedoc without a problem. The more I looked into it the more I came to realise that if i wanted a Socialist state then leaving was the only way that could be achieved. It wasn't easy though because i do still believe the EU is a source for good and i hated that i would be on the same side, albeit for different reasons as the likes of that horrible **** Farage.

Far less likely to get socialism or social just out than in those sorts of things either come from labour or the EU out now they can only come from the Labour Party and only when they are elected and can be undone

 

[WRicko]

Well yes, that's always been the case, which is why the arguments for it
fail, if a party advocated it, it would fail, which is why we don't have it.
Immigration is now down to the points system, and I'd suggest that's fine with
the 73%.

Depends how you Phrase it Channel 4 I think it was had a debate show and had poll company ask people what they wanted to keep or loose from the EU Single Market Custom Union etc and a majority wanted Freedom of movement but the politicians on the panel even the remain ones basically wrote it off as how the question was worded if you ask people do they want Free Movement to move to the EU you get one answer if you ask if they want Free Movement for people to come here you get another answer