Political relations between UK-EU

[Ancient Citizen]

To give you an idea on border trade. Also factor in the approx 50% empty return rate as opposed to usual approx 25% rate. Then factor in that UK companies are paying to return empty lorries. There is a big hit on trade as well as increased direct costs and extra admin costs. Then bear in mind that it is the big multinationals that can absorb these costs. Small to medium sized businesses less so. And yes, some of it is Covid and some of it is Brexit, because it made sense to inflict a double hit on British Companies from a Govt that is committed to ‘fuck business’.

Also check out that M&S stores in Paris are closing and the video from BBC as British produce is not making it across the channel, then bear in mind that in six months we will start applying checks, so what sort of impact will that have on us as it currently stands?

Trade will reduce, costs will increase and companies that relied on friction free trade with Europe will go bust. That is Brexit and no amount of whining and ranting about the EU is changing that fact.

More straw clutching will do's and could be's.
We've been listening to the same tedious crap for donkey's years, yet
subsequent announcements, the facts, and actual events always, always
returns what any objective person knew all along.
Yet another disaster forecast on here once again proves utter nonsense, you
must spend your life hunting for anything that promises to do this country down. It's sad really, but no sympathy is due to folk who actively hope for
that.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

what is to stop them? Frosty the Showman now bleating that the EU has to change its tune - we are very supine for for a nation that has taken back control holds all the cards - if you recall we blinked first and Johnson tried to be unethical and unreliable by threatening Article 16

Brexit: EU relationship 'more than bumpy' since trade deal, says Lord Frost

The UK's chief Brexit negotiator says Brussels must adopt a "different spirit" towards its neighbour.

www.bbc.co.uk

And the EU will have to change its tune. I know you love handwringing and bowing to their immense powers but all the blithe quips about they can, nothing to stop them etc; conveniently ignores the fact that two can play silly sods. The UK could, overnight, if it chose to, destroy not only French fishermen, but every EU fleet. Whilst cherry picking your little snips, you are swerving the fact that the actual industry there, the ones catching the things, know this, and are pressurising Von de Leyen to sort it asap, they have more sense than you do.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Thats what we left ourselves wide open to? who do we complain to about any other country? WTO? ECJ ? Watchdog? You all fell for the importance of getting a deal - nobody asked whats in the deal? when it turns out to be a steaming turd everyone cries they were sold a turd.

You just can't see it can you mate?
What the fuck do you mean by 'Who do we complain to?'
We don't need to complain to them or anyone else when they take actions like
this. You think this country has to accept stunts like this, because well, they just do. This nonsense needs sorting toot sweet, but not for you, the UK
can't do sod all about it, can they?

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Yep.
The most ironic thing is the pleasure the Brexit fans got from getting away from any involvement with the ECJ. If our argument about fish has merit, it would be the ECJ that could enforce it if we had not been so insistent that it had no jurisdiction. As it is, the EU appear to be able to do what they want and the mechanism for any redress is about as clear as mud. Another triumph for Frosty.
https://www.pinsentmasons.com/out-law/analysis/brexit-and-dispute-resolution

One of the best yet, the ECJ could have sorted it.
The French are in the ECJ, if they can sort it, they need to ask them to.

 

[joe123]

More straw clutching will do's and could be's.
We've been listening to the same tedious crap for donkey's years, yet
subsequent announcements, the facts, and actual events always, always
returns what any objective person knew all along.
Yet another disaster forecast on here once again proves utter nonsense, you
must spend your life hunting for anything that promises to do this country down. It's sad really, but no sympathy is due to folk who actively hope for
that.

Your inability to grasp reality is surpassed only by your inability to use the return key appropriately.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Your inability to grasp reality is surpassed only by your inability to use the return key appropriately.

What's your reality?
Are you joining the Bluemoon Astrology society for instructions?

 

[west didsblue]

And the EU will have to change its tune. I know you love handwringing and bowing to their immense powers but all the blithe quips about they can, nothing to stop them etc; conveniently ignores the fact that two can play silly sods. The UK could, overnight, if it chose to, destroy not only French fishermen, but every EU fleet. Whilst cherry picking your little snips, you are swerving the fact that the actual industry there, the ones catching the things, know this, and are pressurising Von de Leyen to sort it asap, they have more sense than you do.

How?
Nuke their ports?

 

[Vic]

Absolute tosh and nonsense.

Another incisive critique.

25% decline in tons landed from before WW1 to UK joining EC.

55% decline in fishers from 1948 to 1970.

It's no good blaming EU quotas when left to our own devices we would have continued overfishing. Other EU fleets have shrunk (Spain by half).

 

[blueparrot]

How?
Nuke their ports?

Send in the Cockleshell heroes probably, many brexiteers I don’t agree with, many know the deal we have is a shambles and we have to use diplomacy to negotiate through it to a better one, even Boris I think knows this,but blame the wrong people for the bad deal in my opinion. A small few think it’s some kind of guerrilla warfare.
Luckily they are a minority, or writing for the express and mail.

 

[metalblue]

Another incisive critique.

25% decline in tons landed from before WW1 to UK joining EC.

55% decline in fishers from 1948 to 1970.

It's no good blaming EU quotas when left to our own devices we would have continued overfishing. Other EU fleets have shrunk (Spain by half).

There are lies and there are statistics ;)

My turn:
British fleet halved since joining CFP
Approximately 15% of fish weight caught in UK waters are from non-UK vessels thus we could increase our fleet capacity by 15%.

It’s fair to say our costal towns have been decimated over the years. It’s also fair to say some of that is down to not only landing ports but improvement in fishing techniques and technologies making man power less of a requirement and part is down to the well meaning (but poorly managed) CFP. I wouldn’t like to say what has done the most damage to the communities and employment prospects but would hazard a guess at techniques/ technology followed by the CFP.