Political relations between UK-EU

[metalblue]

I don’t think it’s okay, I’m not just taken by surprised or morally outraged over it. You hand the other side leverage then they will use it. Object now is to engage constructively and try and reach a satisfactory conclusion.

There will be many incidents like this in the future, so let’s skip the shocked faces and ‘how dare they!’ phases of the negotiations.

Fair enough mate. I do agree the object now should be to reach a satisfactory conclusion and there will be many more such incidents

 

[meltonblue]

Was during the negotiations as part of the WA but definitely agree would be interesting to see

Right so unless it was also rolled over as part of the trade agreement (which I’m assuming it wasn’t discussed, otherwise he’d have mentioned something more recent than it), then I don’t get how it could still apply.

He has said he’d publish it though so we should get to see it at least.

 

[metalblue]

While I can appreciate the sentiment here that it appears the EU have gone back on what sounds like a “gentlemen’s agreement “ isn’t it incredibly naive of our supposedly top notch negotiating team to not look for something more substantial in the final deal?

The relationship between the EU and the UK has been becoming increasingly testy for a while, how do you see it continuing and what needs to happen for it to improve?

I don’t think it was explicitly in the trade agreement which might well be half the problem if we are relying on a separate “commitment”.

I think the UK should play a straight bat for a while. Certainly avoid escalation but that doesn’t help the fishermen here. If it’s payback perhaps they’ll be satisfied with this if it’s just genuinely bureaucratic bollocks (and I would prefer it if it was rather than malice) then this thread is going to top 100000 pages by year end!

 

[Vic]

I thought for a moment that Eustice had known about this for a year, but no - his letter to the EU is just dated wrong (8 February 2020). He says the present stance is "in our view inconsistent with earlier statements provides (sic) to us by Commission Services. On 27 September 2019 the Commission Services provided advice to the UK Chief Veterinary Officer ...." "...the Commission Service advised ..."

The reply from the EU is awaited...

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

I don’t think it’s okay, I’m not just taken by surprised or morally outraged over it. You hand the other side leverage then they will use it. Object now is to engage constructively and try and reach a satisfactory conclusion.

There will be many incidents like this in the future, so let’s skip the shocked faces and ‘how dare they!’ phases of the negotiations.

A bit like this;

 

[bluethrunthru]

Excellent. So it should just be a free for all? Fuck agreements and the such. What was your opinion when the UK brought in legislation to override parts of the withdrawal agreement if there was a no deal Brexit? I won’t bother looking only you’ll know if you were outraged by it all but if you were the term hypocrite would spring to mind

Thats what we left ourselves wide open to? who do we complain to about any other country? WTO? ECJ ? Watchdog? You all fell for the importance of getting a deal - nobody asked whats in the deal? when it turns out to be a steaming turd everyone cries they were sold a turd.

 

[west didsblue]

Thats what we left ourselves wide open to? who do we complain to about any other country? WTO? ECJ ? Watchdog? You all fell for the importance of getting a deal - nobody asked whats in the deal? when it turns out to be a steaming turd everyone cries they were sold a turd.

Yep.
The most ironic thing is the pleasure the Brexit fans got from getting away from any involvement with the ECJ. If our argument about fish has merit, it would be the ECJ that could enforce it if we had not been so insistent that it had no jurisdiction. As it is, the EU appear to be able to do what they want and the mechanism for any redress is about as clear as mud. Another triumph for Frosty.
https://www.pinsentmasons.com/out-law/analysis/brexit-and-dispute-resolution

 

[meltonblue]

I don’t think it was explicitly in the trade agreement which might well be half the problem if we are relying on a separate “commitment”.

I think the UK should play a straight bat for a while. Certainly avoid escalation but that doesn’t help the fishermen here. If it’s payback perhaps they’ll be satisfied with this if it’s just genuinely bureaucratic bollocks (and I would prefer it if it was rather than malice) then this thread is going to top 100000 pages by year end!

It absolutely is bureaucratic and is only the beginning!

 

[BobKowalski]

In the least shocking news ever :)

‘The UK government will not publish an impact assessment of its trade deal with the EU despite producing similar reviews of other major trade pacts it has signed‘ @Bloomberg

 

[Ancient Citizen]

UK fishing was in decline for a hundred years or more before we joined the EU, but it was Norway that screwed our fishing industry - by imposing a 200 mile limit (it's an independent coastal state, you know). Brexit so far has ruined the deal we had. The government made a big play of how we'd be able to agree annual quotas with Norway to fish in their waters - but as Norway doesn't really need access to our waters, we haven't got much to bargain with. It's not just shellfish exports, it's cod imports, and Brexit has scuppered both.

Absolute tosh and nonsense.