Political relations between UK-EU

[metalblue]

what is to stop them? Frosty the Showman now bleating that the EU has to change its tune - we are very supine for for a nation that has taken back control holds all the cards - if you recall we blinked first and Johnson tried to be unethical and unreliable by threatening Article 16

Brexit: EU relationship 'more than bumpy' since trade deal, says Lord Frost

The UK's chief Brexit negotiator says Brussels must adopt a "different spirit" towards its neighbour.

www.bbc.co.uk

Oh I see so you think this is the EU being tit for tat (maybe still fuming over vaccines)? Or are they being “decent trading partners”? No one is denying they “have the right to do it”, I question if they “are right to do it” and I have to say no (but my stance does all depend on this September 2019 meeting)

 

[bluethrunthru]

Oh I see so you think this is the EU being tit for tat (maybe still fuming over vaccines)? Or are they being “decent trading partners”? No one is denying they “have the right to do it”, I question if they “are right to do it” and I have to say no (but my stance does all depend on this September 2019 meeting)

I am just baffled by Leavers approach to all this - outrage when the EU does what they predicted the EU will do. I suppose if they were all sweetness and light you'd have nothing to continue to woman about

 

[BobKowalski]

While none of it signals the apocalypse, which oddly seems to be the only measure that matters for some in judging the effects of Brexit, the evidence does seem to be stacking up that it isn’t the utopia we were promised. Still, we’ll no doubt be berated for having a sudden concern for JD distribution centre workers and be told it’s all our fault for being remainers anyway

To be honest, the absence of zombies rampaging outside has been one of my go to metrics in measuring the success of Brexit.

 

[metalblue]

I am just baffled by Leavers approach to all this - outrage when the EU does what they predicted the EU will do. I suppose if they were all sweetness and light you'd have nothing to continue to woman about

I’d have nothing to woman about if the EU said “no you can’t” when asked in September 2019.

 

[bluethrunthru]

I’d have nothing to woman about if the EU said “no you can’t” when asked in September 2019.

but they didn't - get over it - this is what being out alone in the brave new world looks like. Plenty of countries will say one thing and do another. Where do we take our complaints to? The World Customer Service Desk?

 

[journolud]

I’d have nothing to woman about if the EU said “no you can’t” when asked in September 2019.

While I can appreciate the sentiment here that it appears the EU have gone back on what sounds like a “gentlemen’s agreement “ isn’t it incredibly naive of our supposedly top notch negotiating team to not look for something more substantial in the final deal?

The relationship between the EU and the UK has been becoming increasingly testy for a while, how do you see it continuing and what needs to happen for it to improve?

 

[BobKowalski]

None of that matters. If the EU told us in September 2019 it was ok they can’t reasonably change their mind now especially without significant notice. This isn’t about shellfish it’s about having an ethical and reliable trading partner. The fact you think that it is ok to behave this way is surprising.

I would hope we have a paper trail to back up our claims we were told in September 2019 it would be ok; and we should publish it. Call them on this.

I see Ursula is under fire from both the UK and from the chairman of the european parliament committee on fisheries on this now. So it’s not just us brits saying it’s not right.

I don’t think it’s okay, I’m not just taken by surprised or morally outraged over it. You hand the other side leverage then they will use it. Object now is to engage constructively and try and reach a satisfactory conclusion.

There will be many incidents like this in the future, so let’s skip the shocked faces and ‘how dare they!’ phases of the negotiations.

 

[meltonblue]

I’d have nothing to woman about if the EU said “no you can’t” when asked in September 2019.

Given that predates the withdrawal agreement and us leaving the EU, I’m not sure that letter could ever be what Eustace is suggesting it was. Definitely be interesting to see it.

 

[metalblue]

but they didn't - get over it - this is what being out alone in the brave new world looks like. Plenty of countries will say one thing and do another. Where do we take our complaints to? The World Customer Service Desk?

Excellent. So it should just be a free for all? Fuck agreements and the such. What was your opinion when the UK brought in legislation to override parts of the withdrawal agreement if there was a no deal Brexit? I won’t bother looking only you’ll know if you were outraged by it all but if you were the term hypocrite would spring to mind

 

[metalblue]

Given that predates the withdrawal agreement and us leaving the EU, I’m not sure that letter could ever be what Eustace is suggesting it was. Definitely be interesting to see it.

Was during the negotiations as part of the WA but definitely agree would be interesting to see