Political relations between UK-EU

[Ancient Citizen]

More from the government’s endlessly fruitful money tree, bailing out not only businesses affected by COVID (unavoidable) but also those affected by Brexit (avoidable and foreseeable). Let’s hope it’s worth it but you would think time is of the essence as individual firms within the industry are struggling now and future success might also depend to a degree in changing shopping habits amongst the relatively conservative British public

Well, we got there finally, what I find unsurprising is that Europhiles had no
idea about this. It's not a bailing out is it? It is true that help is being directed
toward a part of the industry affected by the current shenanigans, but this investment was all decided well prior to that.

 

[metalblue]

All trade deals involve discussion of things that are unpalatable to one side until they’re thrashed out and agreement is reached. I stand corrected that Trump pulled out first but the EU decided not to resume discussions. Basing your vote in 2016 on a possible outcome of an unagreed deal seems a little odd particularly as our stated aim was to get our own deal with the US for which they would undoubtedly try to get the same clause in and we would have been in a much weaker position than the EU making it more difficult to refuse.

CPTPP is nothing to do with TTIP. It started as TPP until the US pulled out.

At the time of the referendum (2016) it was the only way I could make my absolute rejection of TTIP known. And there was no indication that TTIP would later die, in hindsight might I have voted differently? Hard to say, the fact it was entertained still would weigh heavy with me. Any UK government that signed up to a TTIP deal would have been unelectable for a generation IMHO - I would put aside every other thing I believe in and vote for any party who would oppose/withdraw from it - I (in fact we all) have greater power at affecting domestic politics than I do the EU.

You are correct that deals are negotiations but the fact that the main crux of my issue wasn’t an immediate walk away point alarmed me. In life you sometimes have to make snap decisions on part evidence and that’s where I was at the time.

I’ll bow to your more up to date knowledge on TPP/TTIP, I thought I read in a research paper once about them being related but am delighted to learn they are not!!

 

[Ancient Citizen]

You are right it’s a long long slog, unfortunately many businesses that have enough to cope with from covid don’t have long to wait for a government to undertake a long slog. A slog that wouldn’t have been necessary if they hadn’t agreed a shit deal in the first place.
In fact a lot of businesses, especially fishing ones don’t have enough time for even a short slog.

Calling free access to the SM no CU, no ECJ a 'Shit deal' is silly, nobody other
than rabid remainers can possibly deduce from what we agreed to as shit.
Teresa May's was utter shit, this one is what we voted for, and I'm sorry to
disappoint you, but we're very happy with it.
But I can't stop you thinking that for sure, or telling anyone, to each their own
and all that.

 

[blueparrot]

Calling free access to the SM no CU, no ECJ a 'Shit deal' is silly, nobody other
than rabid remainers can possibly deduce from what we agreed to as shit.
Teresa May's was utter shit, this one is what we voted for, and I'm sorry to
disappoint you, but we're very happy with it.
But I can't stop you thinking that for sure, or telling anyone, to each their own
and all that.

Would guess there are quite a few people working in quite a few sectors that voted to leave that think this deal is working out to be pretty shit.Not what they wanted or expected. There are a few very pro brexit posters on here that think it's also a bit shit. I don't think they blame the right people for that but they at least aren't prentending it's a great deal.

 

[journolud]

Well, we got there finally, what I find unsurprising is that Europhiles had no
idea about this. It's not a bailing out is it? It is true that help is being directed
toward a part of the industry affected by the current shenanigans, but this investment was all decided well prior to that.

The Mail story says the money was promised last month which is post Brexit and with reality setting in. The Britannia piece, which to be honest reads a bit like a fanboy blog suggests the “investment “ had been decided earlier. Whether that is true or not it still looks like a reactive move to me rather than as any form of strategic planning. Or as some might put it, a bail out

 

[journolud]

Calling free access to the SM no CU, no ECJ a 'Shit deal' is silly, nobody other
than rabid remainers can possibly deduce from what we agreed to as shit.
Teresa May's was utter shit, this one is what we voted for, and I'm sorry to
disappoint you, but we're very happy with it.
But I can't stop you thinking that for sure, or telling anyone, to each their own
and all that.

We? You speak for yourself and all leave voters who envisioned exactly what you did. I don’t think you can include the fishermen, well documented, who voted leave and now claim to feel betrayed and let down

 

[Ancient Citizen]

We? You speak for yourself and all leave voters who envisioned exactly what you did. I don’t think you can include the fishermen, well documented, who voted leave and now claim to feel betrayed and let down

Well, you're making the same assumptions based on your stance, I would bet
everything that a referendum now, after everybody's seen the face of the EU,
would result in a far larger leave percentage than 52%.

 

[journolud]

Well, you're making the same assumptions based on your stance, I would bet
everything that a referendum now, after everybody's seen the face of the EU,
would result in a far larger leave percentage than 52%.

Pointless speculation that avoids answering the point made.

 

[stonerblue]

I’m sure you’d be narked if your boss didn’t pay you your last months money after you quit citing “well you were the one who started playing ‘silly sods’ for wanting out and resigning”. I suppose you could key his car in retaliation.

But you would right expect people to behave in a professional and fair way, not like a bunch of spoilt brats who haven’t got their way. This is what I hope the EU are doing here and it’s just an overzealous bureaucratic process at play and not some underhand tactic because they feel we had them over on vaccines or the such or they just want to punish us for leaving. Because then, then they will have seriously underestimated British resolve and that hasn’t ended well for Europeans in the past.

If I gave you the come on, you'd come, but whether it's you or I who has
erred I'm not sure, but never mind, what was the question again, investment in fishing was it?

Ministers finalise £100m package to revive British fishing fleet

The scheme was promised last month as the British government faced criticism by fisherman that it had compromised on important issues to finally secure a trade deal with the EU.

www.dailymail.co.uk

WordPress.com

britannianews.co.uk

Magic money tree?

 

[bluethrunthru]

Those of us old enough will recall BLMC, BL, ARG, MG Rover - govts pumped money in, restructured them they kept changing their i,d, but they were producing a product they couldn't sell....what happened to them?