Political relations between UK-EU

west didsblue said:
I think you're overanalysing my comment. I was just using Farage as a stereotypical right winger. I could have used Johnson, Thatcher or Enoch Powell for that matter to make the same point.

However you're being far too kind to Farage in your analysis by just calling him a prat and Dads Armyish. Each character on Dad's Army, irrespective of their daftness and pomposity had their heart in the right place. That can't be said for Farage. In fact Farage and Putin have more in common than you might think. They're both ultra nationalists but above all they're grifters looking after number one. I don't think assessing them on a left right scale is relevant. For them it's about narcissism, grifting and power and their ideology would shift accordingly in pursuit of those things. Similar to Trump but not quite as stupid.
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Farage isn’t an ultranationalist, that’s hyperbole. He’s more like a parody character of classic conservatism.

The last manifesto I read of Farage’s taking no deal Brexit out of it, was actually pretty reasonable. He’s nowhere extreme as the left want to make out and they do so because of his character, his actual policies outside of Brexit aren’t too different than many old school Tory MPs.

Farage is not the kind of person that would annex a neighbouring country and he’s anti intervention in other nations, he’s actually allied with George Galloway on this point and it’s why they campaigned together for Brexit. He isn’t for taking wealth off the rich by force and isn’t for regulating capitalism.

The point is there isn’t a stereotypical right winger, Johnson is completely different to Enoch Powell in nearly every way. Johnson is an opportunist, who will say whatever he wants to get into power, he even went to the centre ground to become London Mayor and was liberal. Powell had absolutely no problem with ruining his career to say what he really thought. Powell was anti immigration and Johnson, for large swathes of his career, has been for it. Powell’s rivers of blood speech was a disgraceful event in Britain’s politics and there’s no way Thatcher or Johnson or even Farage makes that speech. Yes Johnson has written racist things in the past in his articles but it was always in a joking manner, not that it makes it acceptable, rather than some deep political message.

Farage is not the kind of person that would annex a neighbouring country and he’s anti intervention in other nations. He isn’t for taking wealth off the rich by force and isn’t for regulating capitalism.

His view is isolationism and whilst Putin is like that towards the Western powers, he asserts his power in other countries all the time.


Again, I am going to disagree about comparing Putin to Trump. Putin actually cares about making Russia a powerful country and whilst he’s a complete bastard and a corrupt one, his end goal is Russia’s success, the same cannot e said about Trump and America. Trump will try and pull the whole thing down before he leaves office.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Just come back from Aldi, no Spam.
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I have a garage full, pm me but I can only let 1 can go, you know just in case the price of red tape increases or forms need filling in.

Shit forms! Imagine. Full panic attack now so sorry you can’t have any. I have a bulldog on guard(named Winnie) so don’t try nicking it either.
 
Ban-jani said:
Farage isn’t an ultranationalist, that’s hyperbole. He’s more like a parody character of classic conservatism.

The last manifesto I read of Farage’s taking no deal Brexit out of it, was actually pretty reasonable. He’s nowhere extreme as the left want to make out and they do so because of his character, his actual policies outside of Brexit aren’t too different than many old school Tory MPs.

Farage is not the kind of person that would annex a neighbouring country and he’s anti intervention in other nations, he’s actually allied with George Galloway on this point and it’s why they campaigned together for Brexit. He isn’t for taking wealth off the rich by force and isn’t for regulating capitalism.

The point is there isn’t a stereotypical right winger, Johnson is completely different to Enoch Powell in nearly every way. Johnson is an opportunist, who will say whatever he wants to get into power, he even went to the centre ground to become London Mayor and was liberal. Powell had absolutely no problem with ruining his career to say what he really thought. Powell was anti immigration and Johnson, for large swathes of his career, has been for it. Powell’s rivers of blood speech was a disgraceful event in Britain’s politics and there’s no way Thatcher or Johnson or even Farage makes that speech. Yes Johnson has written racist things in the past in his articles but it was always in a joking manner, not that it makes it acceptable, rather than some deep political message.

Farage is not the kind of person that would annex a neighbouring country and he’s anti intervention in other nations. He isn’t for taking wealth off the rich by force and isn’t for regulating capitalism.

His view is isolationism and whilst Putin is like that towards the Western powers, he asserts his power in other countries all the time.


Again, I am going to disagree about comparing Putin to Trump. Putin actually cares about making Russia a powerful country and whilst he’s a complete bastard and a corrupt one, his end goal is Russia’s success, the same cannot e said about Trump and America. Trump will try and pull the whole thing down before he leaves office.
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Well and patiently explained.

But, with respect, you are missing a key point......

Farage was a supporter of Brexit and therefore he is a bogeyman and there needs to be a narrative that not only is he a bogeyman - every Brexit supporter was swayed in the way they voted by his 'bogeyness'
 
hilts said:
I have a garage full, pm me but I can only let 1 can go, you know just in case the price of red tape increases or forms need filling in.

Shit forms! Imagine. Full panic attack now so sorry you can’t have any. I have a bulldog on guard(named Winnie) so don’t try nicking it either.
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Cans of Spam might become a valid currency in the future - I would hold onto them
 
mcfc1632 said:
Well and patiently explained.

But, with respect, you are missing a key point......

Farage was a supporter of Brexit and therefore he is a bogeyman and there needs to be a narrative that not only is he a bogeyman - every Brexit supporter was swayed in the way they voted by his 'bogeyness'
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What a load of bollocks.

If one picture could describe why Farage is an utter **** here it is:

Nigel-Farage-and-Donald-Trump[1].jpg
Fuck all to do with Brexit.
 
Ban-jani said:
Farage isn’t an ultranationalist, that’s hyperbole. He’s more like a parody character of classic conservatism.

The last manifesto I read of Farage’s taking no deal Brexit out of it, was actually pretty reasonable. He’s nowhere extreme as the left want to make out and they do so because of his character, his actual policies outside of Brexit aren’t too different than many old school Tory MPs.

Farage is not the kind of person that would annex a neighbouring country and he’s anti intervention in other nations, he’s actually allied with George Galloway on this point and it’s why they campaigned together for Brexit. He isn’t for taking wealth off the rich by force and isn’t for regulating capitalism.

The point is there isn’t a stereotypical right winger, Johnson is completely different to Enoch Powell in nearly every way. Johnson is an opportunist, who will say whatever he wants to get into power, he even went to the centre ground to become London Mayor and was liberal. Powell had absolutely no problem with ruining his career to say what he really thought. Powell was anti immigration and Johnson, for large swathes of his career, has been for it. Powell’s rivers of blood speech was a disgraceful event in Britain’s politics and there’s no way Thatcher or Johnson or even Farage makes that speech. Yes Johnson has written racist things in the past in his articles but it was always in a joking manner, not that it makes it acceptable, rather than some deep political message.

Farage is not the kind of person that would annex a neighbouring country and he’s anti intervention in other nations. He isn’t for taking wealth off the rich by force and isn’t for regulating capitalism.

His view is isolationism and whilst Putin is like that towards the Western powers, he asserts his power in other countries all the time.


Again, I am going to disagree about comparing Putin to Trump. Putin actually cares about making Russia a powerful country and whilst he’s a complete bastard and a corrupt one, his end goal is Russia’s success, the same cannot e said about Trump and America. Trump will try and pull the whole thing down before he leaves office.
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Again, you're missing the original point which was Putin is not a left winger.

I won't compare him with anyone else because I'm not interested in an analysis of the people I compare him to or their right wing credentials.
 
You guys are missing the point

I am in no way saying that he is anything other than a ****.

But this is a thread about the future political relationship between the EU and the UK - why do you feel the need to bring Farage up again on this thread?

I suspect that I know but will leave you to it.
 
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