Political relations between UK-EU

[Saddleworth2]

Yours wasn’t particularly bad but there was a slight tone and it came after 3 abusive posts so got thrown in with them.

I am more than happy to have a calm conversation.

I understand it sounds daft, it’s not logically sound for the economy but the idea of the UK not being in the driving seat of its own trade arrangements doesn’t sit well with me. The economic impacts of Brexit don’t outweigh that for me.

I’d rather have just remained though.

I thought you were a local to me, in Saddleworth? I’m Oldham based and have played at Saddleworth golf club a few times, decent but very hilly and old man’s legs have gone.

Did you move?

I think the Scots will go and then NI to be honest, I happen to think it’s politically the most sensible thing as the division and hatred is too heated in the UK, it’s fractured and goes well beyond disliking Tories.

I moved a little time ago (55 years to be precise) I went to primary school in Uppermill which is when I fell in love with City. Haven’t been back since but thought that using a local area as my username would buy me some street cred. ;-). (It didn’t).
We aren’t in the driving seat though as we will be the smaller party in many meaningful negotiations Eu, Us, China etc. We might do some deals with Canada Australia and the like to bring in cheap meat and further fuck our farmers but I don’t really see that as a benefit.

 

[Octavian]

You mean you weren't including me when called most of the posters on this thread a bunch of tossers?
You've been slagging people off on here left right and centre.
And nobody actually called you stupid. You were accused of making a stupid argument which is hardly the same thing. As I said, I'm not interested in having a discussion with someone who is so fucking sensitive that they take offence at people making robust points.

This is childish.

Have a good day

 

[Octavian]

I moved a little time ago (55 years to be precise) I went to primary school in Uppermill which is when I fell in love with City. Haven’t been back since but thought that using a local area as my username would buy me some street cred. ;-). (It didn’t).
We aren’t in the driving seat though as we will be the smaller party in many meaningful negotiations Eu, Us, China etc. We might do some deals with Canada Australia and the like to bring in cheap meat and further fuck our farmers but I don’t really see that as a benefit.

Saddleworth is alright to be fair, compared to Oldham. I don’t think most blues care where people are from, a City fan is a City fan as far as I’m concerned.

 

[Octavian]

God help us if you’re right.
I still think 5 years for NI/Ireland reunification is too soon, although I do think it is the most logical solution to the island and should never have been allowed happen in the first place.
However, Brexit has opened old wounds and shown that there is a ton of work to be done before coming up with a two strand solution that satisfies both of the major communities.

Oh it’ll be carnage if NI goes, the loyalist movement won’t go quietly, I know that.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Saddleworth is alright to be fair, compared to Oldham. I don’t think most blues care where people are from, a City fan is a City fan as far as I’m concerned.

;-) usually means you have your tongue in your cheek or are not altogether being serious.

My memory of Oldham is many many huge chimneys, I would have thought not many left now. Uppermill was a nice little village if i remember correctly, Whit walk up t' church, brass band competition on t' village green afterwards. The snow of 63 that was many times deeper than I was tall, folk walking back down the hill after searching saddleworth moor for one of Brady's victims. Funny the things you remember quite clearly.

anyhow, thats straying a bit off topic.

 

[Octavian]

;-) usually means you have your tongue in your cheek or are not altogether being serious.

My memory of Oldham is many many huge chimneys, I would have thought not many left now. Uppermill was a nice little village if i remember correctly, Whit walk up t' church, brass band competition on t' village green afterwards. The snow of 63 that was many times deeper than I was tall, folk walking back down the hill after searching saddleworth moor for one of Brady's victims. Funny the things you remember quite clearly.

anyhow, thats straying a bit off topic.

I’ll just leave it as… it’s not great but it’s home

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Oh it’ll be carnage if NI goes, the loyalist movement won’t go quietly, I know that.

The GFA is their greatest protection, I’ve always said, but some can’t see it.
It will be carnage and the selfish in me would say we don’t need that hassle down south.
But the truth is we owe it to the republican community who were left behind by no fault of their own, in a state that most down south logically feel should never have happened.

That’s not to forget all the mistakes and faults made on both sides, and I’m not talking of just the atrocities of the troubles. Ive made my point of view made countless times in the Irish thread about mistakes made by the Irish government and I’m no great fan of DeValera, so I won’t pollute this thread with more of that.

 

[ganganvince]

You made an 'observation' that was factually incorrect.

Whilst immigration was pushed as a reason for leaving the EU by the liars of the Leave campaign it was not valid. Much like the rest of the Leave lies that were swallowed hook line and sinker by much of the population.

Whilst you believe it's not valid millions of others believed it was and tbf we live in a 1 person 1 vote nation were all are equally valid.

 

[dave_blue12]

Whilst you believe it's not valid millions of others believed it was and tbf we live in a 1 person 1 vote nation were all are equally valid.

You seem to be missing the point that we could have controlled our immigration within the EU but chose not to do so.

Thus making leaving the EU to control immigration an invalid reason.

That many believed this lie, along with the many others told, does not validate the lie.

I did not say anyone's vote was invalid, that is for the individual to decide.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

God help us if you’re right.
I still think 5 years for NI/Ireland reunification is too soon, although I do think it is the most logical solution to the island and should never have been allowed happen in the first place.
However, Brexit has opened old wounds and shown that there is a ton of work to be done before coming up with a two strand solution that satisfies both of the major communities.

You mean Ireland should never have been split in the first place or the opportunity for N Ireland to reunify shouldn't have been allowed?