Political relations between UK-EU

[Ban-jani]

Good luck with that.

When you get it. Can we join?

What he says will result in theft and murder.

Revolutionary Communists don’t hold much morality, anything in their way of getting what they want is fair game.

Just look at the USSR.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

You try selling your house without locks...

so why's it any different for your country to have locks?

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

...or a roof, it’s a fucker selling a house without a roof. People notice.

indeed. So you can have a roof over your head with a house built for you already being on this land, with locks on your doors to keep out whoever you don't want in your house.

But the UK has to have free movement of people and let in whoever wants to come, let them take houses built for people already here and do what they want because it's better that way, we can't have restrictions on who goes where we just have to accept it blindly because it's a "benefit".

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

It’s a valid argument but it also works the other way. Being a high cost high wage economy encourages companies to invest in the lower cost lower wage economies hence the increase in for example car production in places like Poland and Slovakia by companies based in France and Germany. This in turn brings higher wages to these countries and over a period of time it does bring a measure of equilibrium. Cutting ourselves off from that single market and freedom of movement won’t encourage inward investment into the UK, and this has been borne out over the last 4 years.

That's nothing to do with free movement though. Globalisation has seen investment in lower wage economies for a long time. India, Bangladesh and the Phillipines aren't in the EU. Nor is China.

 

[Vic]

Should we not consign the 'side of a bus', along with the f/c of emergency budgets and WW3 to the past and not bring them up on this thread?

What is the benefit to this new thread of harping back to days of the campaign.

As @Ric said in the OP:

"It's the start of a new era for the UK and the EU....." should we not talk about the here and now and the future rather than keep banging on about the campaign of 2016?

Or you could just ignore a one-line sarky comment rather than respond with a tedious lecture. In any case it was PB who raised what the result might have been in different circumstances.

 

[Vic]

Yep, I’m pretty sure everyone knew what the stadium was going to look like long before the site was cleared. They did this thing called planning which was costed and subject to a lot of scrutiny before getting the go ahead.

And the taxpayer paid for the mess to be cleared up.

 

[blueparrot]

so why's it any different for your country to have locks?

Because a house is nothing like having free movement around a block of countries for work and business. Its a daft comparison.

 

[manclad]

Funny that you posted that Saddleworth.
I thought I was watching an old episode of Citizen Smith as well.
"Power to the People".

 

[Vic]

The Erasmus decision was completely needless but in my opinion freedom of movement is a bonkers between nation states of economic disparity.

Bulgaria doesn’t benefit if it’s brightest and most talented up sticks and move to London.

Local populations inheriting many people experience stresses on infrastructure, places in schools, doctors appointments, housing crisis, issues with significant cultural changes that they didn’t necessarily want nor ask for.

I feel the same way when I drive through Levenshulme as I do when I went to Benidorm on a stag do, and to see what Brits have done there.

I am pro immigration and completely appreciate the need for people with STEM skills, as an example, to come into the country and we should accept people from all around the world.

But we should do so in a controlled manner, where we set the criteria and where we can manage it. It’s why, one of the few things I approve of this year, from this government, is their new immigration policy. It’s actually a brilliant policy, that will grant different people the chance to come and settle, but ultimately those who have the skills we need.

It doesn’t matter whether they’re Bangladeshi or Dutch, that’s another aspect I like, it’s blind to where they are coming from.

We are a very crowded, small island and immigration being controlled is a very big benefit of leaving the EU.

However I still feel all the benefits of remaining, are greater than this specific policy.

I thought we'd all agreed that care workers were indeed skilled. The government's policy is to discriminate on income grounds, to keep out the huddled masses.

 

[hilts]

Complete surprise how this thread is developing