Political relations between UK-EU

[I'm With Stupid]

I thought we'd all agreed that care workers were indeed skilled. The government's policy is to discriminate on income grounds, to keep out the huddled masses.

Well that's your classic Conservative ideology though since Thatcher. If something doesn't have a commercial value, then it's of no value.

 

[Ban-jani]

I thought we'd all agreed that care workers were indeed skilled. The government's policy is to discriminate on income grounds, to keep out the huddled masses.

They are but I don’t know what you’ve seen, care workers will be able to meet the criteria.

Looking at the points, they will be in a “needed sector” and therefore if they are qualified and can speak English, they should get 70 pts.

 

[Vic]

They are but I don’t know what you’ve seen, care workers will be able to meet the criteria.

Looking at the points, they will be in a “needed sector” and therefore if they are qualified and can speak English, they should get 70 pts.

You need to earn the right money to get in.

Applicants will require 70 points to apply for a visa in January

Colin Angel, policy director, United Kingdom Homecare Association said: “Government has recently rejected the Migration Advisory Committee’s recommendations about the Shortage Occupation List, at least for the foreseeable future.

"Although the shortage list would have had limited application for many social care employers, some would have found it extremely helpful in sourcing candidates from outside the UK for hard-to-fill roles, including live-in homecare.”

The letter also takes issue with the planned ‘Points Based’ immigration system which does not provide sufficient routes for adult social care workers to enter the United Kingdom.

Under the new rules, those who want to live and work in the UK will need to gain 70 points to be eligible to apply for a visa.

This would include a minimum salary requirement of £20,480. The think tank warns that unless the government drops its salary to the national living wage of £19,344, the recruitment crisis in social care would worsen.

 

[journolud]

This is from the Guardian so probably best dismissed as anti Brexit propaganda. Still, hard to spin it as a tangible benefit for the locals. They should probably stop moaning and open some of those roadside takeaways or whatever to take advantage of the opportunities on offer

'Betrayed': Dover residents furious over building of Brexit lorry park | Brexit | The Guardian

 

[west didsblue]

That's nothing to do with free movement though. Globalisation has seen investment in lower wage economies for a long time. India, Bangladesh and the Phillipines aren't in the EU. Nor is China.

And they’re not in the single market either which is the reason they’ve had that inward investment rather than those even lower cost places further afield.

 

[mcfc1632]

No one stopping anyone travelling. You can go anywhere in the EU for 90 days in any 180 days. If I want to go to the USA to see my lad, I fill in a Visa Waiver form, pay a few quid and it's approved virtually instantly, lasting me for 2 years. It's not really a hardship. When we played in Moscow, plenty on here got visas.

The issue I have with free movement is economic, not because I don't like foreigners. It's pretty well the same argument Nobel prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz uses in his book on the Euro, though he puts it much more academically rigorously than I do. It's the same principal as in chemical osmosis, when you have two solutions of different density and a porous boundary. The higher density solution migrates to the lower density one until equlibirium is achieved.

People from poorer countries naturally gravitate to richer ones, as we've seen with the influx of Eastern European people from Poland and Romania. Yes, many of them contribute to our economy but they also consume resources, such as accomodation and medical services, which are finite and difficult to scale quickly. The more skilled they are (doctors, engineers, etc) the more they earn in the richer country, which is skills they deprie their home country of, as well as the tax revenue they could have contributed at home.

So the poor countries get propped up financially by those richer ones, as we've seen with the net flow of EU funds from countries like us and Germany to the likes of Poland & Romania. So it's just swings and roundabouts really. If the EU was a level-playing field, with wage levels, tax levels, opportunities & infrastructure all similar across the community, then free movement would be no issue economically. But like those chemical solutions, it isn't. There is no equilibrium. What's the incentive for countries to develop and increase their skills base if those skilled younger people just fuck off somewhere else when it suits them?

So of course people in the UK see free movement of people as a good thing because we essentially attract lots of cheap labour. But that cheap labour here isn't a good thing for the countries the workers have come from. It's one of those great liberal ideas which is the effective replacement for colonialism, except we're taking the skills from these countries rather than the raw materials.

Whilst I am keen for this thread to look forwards rather than backwards - this is another excellent post that points out obvious facts

The issues for me with FOM were those you explain and that it is also inherently discriminatory against people from outside the EU

Anyway - back to looking to the future

 

[mcfc1632]

Or you could just fight amongst yourselves.

Or just contentedly manage our own affairs and see where that takes us

 

[Ban-jani]

You need to earn the right money to get in,

Applicants will require 70 points to apply for a visa in January

Colin Angel, policy director, United Kingdom Homecare Association said: “Government has recently rejected the Migration Advisory Committee’s recommendations about the Shortage Occupation List, at least for the foreseeable future.

"Although the shortage list would have had limited application for many social care employers, some would have found it extremely helpful in sourcing candidates from outside the UK for hard-to-fill roles, including live-in homecare.”

The letter also takes issue with the planned ‘Points Based’ immigration system which does not provide sufficient routes for adult social care workers to enter the United Kingdom.

Under the new rules, those who want to live and work in the UK will need to gain 70 points to be eligible to apply for a visa.

This would include a minimum salary requirement of £20,480. The think tank warns that unless the government drops its salary to the national living wage of £19,344, the recruitment crisis in social care would worsen.

The salary is just one way of earning the points and it only accounts for 10 points.

Qualified care workers, can come and work if they speak English and there’s a job waiting for them.

They will get the top 3 and 20 points from “job shortage” column.

 

[mcfc1632]

Complete surprise how this thread is developing

Yep, but..............

If the majority of us try and post about the future of, let's say:

Political relations between UK-EU​

Then those that are determined to try and drag another thread back to the nonsense of debating 2016 campaign promises will become the reducing minority - and eventually probably force themselves to move on

We just need to stop feeding their desire to live in the past

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Or just contentedly manage our own affairs and see where that takes us

Sounds better to be fair.