Political relations between UK-EU

Hardly anyone is talking about rejoining, a lot from both sides of the debate are talking about getting a government that will get us a deal a damn sight better than the pile of shit Johnson got us into.
That’s what a few can’t see when people atttack the current deal they see it as an attack on brexit and their vote and refuse to accept we have to get something much better than this..

There is nothing better than what we had.

The EU are clear Johnson signed off on a deal that must be adhered to.

Countries outside the EU are seeing how desperate he is so are so get us to agree deals that are worse for us than what we had as an EU member.

Around the world as long as we have this govt we are seen to be untrustworthy.
 
give it 40 years.(another vote) I think that would be fair, as the British public had no say over the eu for that amount of time

if any political party have a brain they wouldn’t go anywhere near brexit for a good while yet. The public are fed up of it and the only people talking about rejoining are remainers who won’t accept what happened

I would say as well Labour and all remainer mps had the option of a soft brexit and turned it down…

Soft Brexit was never available. May ruled out Single Market and Customs Union in her Lancaster House speech in January 2017. Thereafter the only option left was hard Brexit.

The wrangling for the next few years was the UK trying to be out of the Single Market/Customs Union, but retain the benefits. The UK was convinced the EU would cave and agree to this. They didn’t.

May did, belatedly, realise her mistake and tried to row back on SM/CU, but it was too late. She was ousted and Johnson replaced her with his ‘fuck business’ policy. Turned out he had a ‘fuck fishing and agriculture’ policy too.

If the UK at some point signs up to EEC/EFTA and EU Single Market to facilitate trade the EU is never going to agree to us rejoining. Too much trust and goodwill has gone and if we are in the EU economic zone why risk the hassle? If we try and stay out of the EU economic zone (barring NI) then we are subject to EU influence anyway because we have given away our leverage. We in effect extorted opt-outs by threatening to leave. Once we left, the leverage disappeared and we still wanted to be part of Horizon, Lugano Convention, Euratom etc. We also need tariff free trade (which we kind of got, but didn’t - ie the Rules of Origin small print), but still overlooked the non-tariff barriers which are hurting SME’s especially.

At the moment we have a shitty deal, where the rules apply to us and less so to the EU and its businesses. As the OBR pointed out, many EU large companies can’t be bothered to follow our new UK only rules, which is why we punted the UK kite mark standards into next year. We of course have to follow our rules and EU rules.

We are in for a rough time because we can’t rejoin; but unless we rejoin we can’t politically influence EU Single Market and Customs Union rules and regs which we won’t except unless we have political say and influence over them. But not accepting them means a reduction in trade and higher admin costs and red tape for UK businesses.

Basically, we dug ourselves a big hole with no way out. Our only option is to stay in the hole and pretend it’s great.
 
There is nothing better than what we had.

The EU are clear Johnson signed off on a deal that must be adhered to.

Countries outside the EU are seeing how desperate he is so are so get us to agree deals that are worse for us than what we had as an EU member.

Around the world as long as we have this govt we are seen to be untrustworthy.
Obviously nothing better than what we had, but we aren’t getting that back anytime soon, so we can forget that. There is though much better than what we have now, and we need to start making strides to at least getting that. The sooner we do the less damage will be done.
 
Obviously nothing better than what we had, but we aren’t getting that back anytime soon, so we can forget that. There is though much better than what we have now, and we need to start making strides to at least getting that. The sooner we do the less damage will be done.

we will never get it back - we cannot demand opt outs to the extent we had now we left
 
Obviously nothing better than what we had, but we aren’t getting that back anytime soon, so we can forget that. There is though much better than what we have now, and we need to start making strides to at least getting that. The sooner we do the less damage will be done.
Is that draft for the Tory manifesto or Labour?
 
There will never be a full rejoin option as there would always be a ‘vote to leave the EU‘ movement within a very short timeframe and the whole thing would start again. If Labour were clever they would agree, with the other parties, what sort of Brexit they can move to.
In an ideal world they would all agree to put up a single candidate against the incumbent Tory MP to both get them out of power and to give this ‘workable Brexit‘ option a chance.
Surely it would be a workable Brexin?
 
I will never, ever get bored at laughing over this sort of thing...

Government 'replaces' Cornwall's EU £100m with just £1 million.”

 

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