Political relations between UK-EU

[lloydie]

Given I voted for Brexit because of TTIPs none of your claimed benefits applied in my decision making. My issue is, and remains, that TTIPs allowed for the rights of corporations to be on an equal footing to that of government - ie the UK government could be sued by a US tobacco firm because the NHS has an anti smoking campaign. TTIPs was kicked in to touch by Trump of all people but for those paying any attention the EU has made new overtones to the Biden administration to see if the deal can be resurrected. The EU never wanted it to die and still want it.

You might be comfortable with that, you might be trusting of the political classes not to fuck us over, that’s for everyone to wrestle with their own consciousness on - it’s certainly not for me to glibly cast insults in the direction of an entire group of people who happen to hold a different viewpoint that me.

So yeah I would vote leave again tomorrow, and the day after that and the day after that and so on until my dying breath. Not because I am stubborn or stupid, but because I am deeply principled on this matter. If TTIPs had never been uttered I would have voted remain.

I voted to remain because of TTIP's, it was clear from what was going on in Germany that they would reject, it was also perfectly clear from the Conservative party that they were keen to accept anything that would turn national assets into profit opportunities.

 

[metalblue]

Please do. Please also remember that trade deals require qualified or full ratification by member states. Public sentiment was increasingly hostile to TTIP and with good reason. In the Covid era, EU states are even more twitchy about trade deals. Probably why we got such a shit one.

Please also remember, the UK would prostitute itself for a trade deal with the US. Not that Biden is interested. Like the EU, trade deals are not top of their ‘to do‘ list.

Before ratification there are multiple touch points between negotiating teams and member states to clarify content etc. But I take the point that there is a process that would have beed to be followed and could have scuppered any agreement.

Might not be until tomorrow as rammed with work but will post up

 

[metalblue]

I voted to remain because of TTIP's, it was clear from what was going on in Germany that they would reject, it was also perfectly clear from the Conservative party that they were keen to accept anything that would turn national assets into profit opportunities.

Wait. You voted for something you didn’t agree with, in the hope that someone else would veto it, in case our lot negotiated the same thing you didn’t agree with? God loves a gambler and all that.

Anyroads looks like we cancelled each other out, we should have stayed at home ;)

 

[Octavian]

Unfortunately it’s the side you are portraying to the rest of the world too.
It’s what we see and what we see in your government. I’ve been to The UK often enough and have met plenty of really awesome people, but I’ve met some loons too or maybe not loons, but those that you just know would easily be taken in by this shit.

The UK comes across as totally untrustworthy at the moment.

It’s a bad look.

Nice that you can speak for the rest of the world.

I think your main problem is being kept up to date on the UK’s politics by this website.

Nobody actually out there in the real world talks about Brexit anymore and life has gone on as before, other than the glaring obvious with the pandemic.

 

[journolud]

Wait. You voted for something you didn’t agree with, in the hope that someone else would veto it, in case our lot negotiated the same thing you didn’t agree with? God loves a gambler and all that.

Anyroads looks like we cancelled each other out, we should have stayed at home ;)

Seems he had the same concerns as you and had a different conclusion about how to mitigate against them.

 

[journolud]

Nice that you can speak for the rest of the world.

I think your main problem is being kept up to date on the UK’s politics by this website.

Nobody actually out there in the real world talks about Brexit anymore and life has gone on as before, other than the glaring obvious with the pandemic.

Nice that you can speak for everyone in the real world.

I think your problem is that you think people get all their information about Brexit from this website.

Lot's of people out there in the real world do actually still talk about Brexit, especially those whose livelihoods have been affected. And the Daily Express. You're right though, life has gone on as before other than the glaringly obvious with the wilfully ignorant.

 

[Octavian]

Nice that you can speak for everyone in the real world.

I think your problem is that you think people get all their information about Brexit from this website.

Lot's of people out there in the real world do actually still talk about Brexit, especially those whose livelihoods have been affected. And the Daily Express. You're right though, life has gone on as before other than the glaringly obvious with the wilfully ignorant.

I think people outside the UK who view this website must think things are horrendous, when it’s just not true.

I’ve not heard a single person mention Brexit other than this website, and a couple of articles, I’ve seen in months.

Those who hate the country that live here are entitled to say what they want but I’m not having someone who doesn’t even live here and reads this website saying how shit the UK. Covid apart the economy and jobs are doing pretty well.

 

[blueparrot]

I think people outside the UK who view this website must think things are horrendous, when it’s just not true.

I’ve not heard a single person mention Brexit other than this website, and a couple of articles, I’ve seen in months.

Those who hate the country that live here are entitled to say what they want but I’m not having someone who doesn’t even live here and reads this website saying how shit the UK. Covid apart the economy and jobs are doing pretty well.

You obviously aren’t aware of any sector adversely effected by brexit then, or shop in a shop effected by brexit .

 

[journolud]

I think people outside the UK who view this website must think things are horrendous, when it’s just not true.

I’ve not heard a single person mention Brexit other than this website, and a couple of articles, I’ve seen in months.

Those who hate the country that live here are entitled to say what they want but I’m not having someone who doesn’t even live here and reads this website saying how shit the UK. Covid apart the economy and jobs are doing pretty well.

We see what we want to see. I've seen a fair bit about how Britain is viewed by the rest of the world, not just in terms of Brexit. Our government are seen as pretty shambolic and untrustworthy in some quarters, not just by individuals but by the people in positions we have to have good relationships with.

 

[Octavian]

You obviously aren’t aware of any sector adversely effected by brexit then, or shop in a shop effected by brexit .

Obviously not but if things were that bad wouldn’t I or my family and friends notice it?

The guy (or woman) who I replied to, who doesn’t live here, said some pretty strong stuff about a situation they’re not experiencing themselves. Seems ignorant to me.