Political relations between UK-EU

[i kne albert davy]

The real victory for leavers is just that - going back will be a tough sell because in truth we had the best deal we could have and it wouldn't be on offer again. You will only get FoM to retire to the Algarve if Hans und Lotte can retire to Whitby without restriction. Bye bye pound hello Euro. - that will be the starters. I strongly suspect my kids generation will go for all that however because they never experience and have no interest in the supposed values and gains Brexit has delivered

I don't think it's a victory for anybody but to be fair many didn't see the supposed benefits or gains from being in the common market/EEC/EU hence so many traditional Labour areas voting to leave if only it was Hans and Lotte retiring to spend their pensions in Whitby that would have been a result.

 

[i kne albert davy]

well lets start with FoM - I am Belgian and get a job offer in France which I accept but I can live with my lover over the border Germany and commute - not an issue. Try that fucker with a Blue ( black ) passport

I'm sure that's a major issue to be fair and there again Imagine i'm a thief who's been rumbled in Belgium I nip over and thieve in France and flog on in Germany.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I don't think it's a victory for anybody but to be fair many didn't see the supposed benefits or gains from being in the common market/EEC/EU hence so many traditional Labour areas voting to leave if only it was Hans and Lotte retiring to spend their pensions in Whitby that would have been a result.

I still believe it was a vote for change in the status quo for many Labour areas. They’d been forgotten for 6 years.

What they didn’t realise is that it would be a vote that made them worse off, especially in the short term.

 

[bluethrunthru]

I'm sure that's a major issue to be fair and there again Imagine i'm a thief who's been rumbled in Belgium I nip over and thieve in France and flog on in Germany.

then you are a case for Interpol.
I however am a recently retired Englishman who would happily sell up and retire to the sun. Sadly no-one will buy my UK home on a 6 month timeshare basis so that ain't happening.... thanks Brexit

 

[bluethrunthru]

I still believe it was a vote for change in the status quo for many Labour areas. They’d been forgotten for 6 years.

What they didn’t realise is that it would be a vote that made them worse off, especially in the short term.

I absolutely agree in parts - I have always said that my main annoyance with Blairs Labour years - forget the wars for now - is that the sink estates and shitty places they inherited were virtually unchanged when they left office. Wasted opportunity that they lived to really regret.

However I speak to family in friends in old solid Labour seats in Manchester and they still bark up the trees of Corbyn.. Labour...Unions...Brexit...Forriners...Boris et al doing his best...EU punishing us...I think it will take a generation or two to understand and compare what has happened before they understand why they live in over priced hovels and pay inflated rents to wealthy landlords etc

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I absolutely agree in parts - I have always said that my main annoyance with Blairs Labour years - forget the wars for now - is that the sink estates and shitty places they inherited were virtually unchanged when they left office. Wasted opportunity that they lived to really regret.

However I speak to family in friends in old solid Labour seats in Manchester and they still bark up the trees of Corbyn.. Labour...Unions...Brexit...Forriners...Boris et al doing his best...EU punishing us...I think it will take a generation or two to understand and compare what has happened before they understand why they live in over priced hovels and pay inflated rents to wealthy landlords etc

That’s down to the levelling down of education though and the advanced tactics of the press and social media in gaslighting and manipulation.

Hartlepool had that bloke praising the Tories for creating food banks!

If I we’re in government, I’d change the approach of taking the lowest contract at source and looking at the ones that are for the long term.

Most of our money is wasted in contracts that cost the earth because they were cheap before being charged for every call out etc.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Hartlepool had that bloke praising the Tories for creating food banks!

In Hartlepool they think a monkey is a French sailor and that man is probably his granddaughters father so I wouldn't set any store in his views - looking like even the 6 fingered people of Wem tonight are having any truck with Johnson

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

In Hartlepool they think a monkey is a French sailor and that man is probably his granddaughters father so I wouldn't set any store in his views - looking like even the 6 fingered people of Wem tonight are having any truck with Johnson

But you need to listen to his views. This is the level of education a lot have now.

Election campaigns need to be melded to their audience, which is different in every constituancy.

 

[NPBlue]

I don't think it's a victory for anybody but to be fair many didn't see the supposed benefits or gains from being in the common market/EEC/EU hence so many traditional Labour areas voting to leave if only it was Hans and Lotte retiring to spend their pensions in Whitby that would have been a result.

If you consider the traditional areas of Labour support being the industrial heartlands of the past, like Manchester, Liverpool or Leeds, then their support wasn't for leave, but remain.

It was the rural constituencies that voted leave. It's not the case for every large northern town, but analysis of the vote clearly shows it wasn't northern towns and cities that decided the result but rural areas.

Russian financed advertisements on social media were heavily backed in the two weeks leading up to the referendum, and before that started the remain campaign was comfortably leading. The Leave vote won by a little over 634,000 votes, it was the first time in the campaign leave were in front, and since the vote, the choice to remain has consistently been higher than leave.

The government have suppressed the report into that Russian backed influence on the result.

 

[i kne albert davy]

If you consider the traditional areas of Labour support being the industrial heartlands of the past, like Manchester, Liverpool or Leeds, then their support wasn't for leave, but remain.

It was the rural constituencies that voted leave. It's not the case for every large northern town, but analysis of the vote clearly shows it wasn't northern towns and cities that decided the result but rural areas.

Russian financed advertisements on social media were heavily backed in the two weeks leading up to the referendum, and before that started the remain campaign was comfortably leading. The Leave vote won by a little over 650,000 votes, it was the first time in the campaign leave were in front, and since the vote, the choice to remain has consistently been higher than leave.

The government have suppressed the report into that Russian backed influence on the result.

Do you not consider Sunderland Wigan Tameside Oldham Bolton St Helens and dozens of other Labour areas as traditional Labour areas, inner city areas may have voted remain but the vote was lost in major Labour areas had they voted remain then we would have despite the rural vote.First time I've heard the Russians won it so must have been well suppressed.