west didsblue
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So which is it?
It couldn’t be better or it’s going really badly?
You seem to be hedging your bets just so you can say you were right all along.
It’s a bit pathetic and transparent.
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So which is it?
It couldn’t be better or it’s going really badly?
You seem to be hedging your bets just so you can say you were right all along.
It’s a bit pathetic and transparent.
Saddleworth2
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Ha. Won’t argue with that. It could have been implemented with more elegance though that’s for sure.What's bullshit is that there was any way to make Brexit work.
Ifwecouldjust.......
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Ha. Won’t argue with that. It could have been implemented with more elegance though that’s for sure.
It would never have worked with such polarised views. Any change program has to bring the people with you and whilst the 17.4 million totally ignored the wishes of the 16.2 million plus those that failed to vote it was never going to happen.
No compromises were ever proposed by leavers, no middle ground, total rejection of any solution ... and as more possibilities were proposed, the stance of the leavers hardened even when they started to realise that things would definitely not get better (and there would be no sunny uplands) and that a hard Brexit would seriously damage the UK and the Union.
blueparrot
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Not really to bring the people with you then you satisfy the 25/30 million in the middle, not the 2 million or so at the either edge . Just because those 2 million make the most noise and shout the most they aren’t the common view.It would never have worked with such polarised views. Any change program has to bring the people with you and whilst the 17.4 million totally ignored the wishes of the 16.2 million plus those that failed to vote it was never going to happen.
No compromises were ever proposed by leavers, no middle ground, total rejection of any solution ... and as more possibilities were proposed, the stance of the leavers hardened even when they started to realise that things would definitely not get better (and there would be no sunny uplands) and that a hard Brexit would seriously damage the UK and the Union.
If we’d gone the Norway option then yes the ERG and Daily Express, and I gues some arch remainers would have made noise and shouted about BRINO.
The fact is though impact on most people would have been minimal and most would have just got on with it.
As it is the impact won’t be minimal it will be noticed over time by many and there will be a constant push to re negotiate things, a constant reason to compare our Brexit with N. Ireland’s different Brexit especially.
A Brexit appealing to the vocal fringes can never be a good idea.
stonerblue
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Most days.You never given any Scousers shit before?
Saddleworth2
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Then by that logic, remaining wouldn’t have worked either. I agree though that spending time after th3 referendum on agreeing the type of Brexit might have made things smother but no chance of that when Article 50 was triggered.It would never have worked with such polarised views. Any change program has to bring the people with you and whilst the 17.4 million totally ignored the wishes of the 16.2 million plus those that failed to vote it was never going to happen.
No compromises were ever proposed by leavers, no middle ground, total rejection of any solution ... and as more possibilities were proposed, the stance of the leavers hardened even when they started to realise that things would definitely not get better (and there would be no sunny uplands) and that a hard Brexit would seriously damage the UK and the Union.
blueparrot
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Personally I put a lot of blame on Corbyn and the Labour party.They had the opportunity to use the Conservative slim majority to push for a cross party solution, along with tory rebels.That would have achieved a better kind of brexit. Once the election lost that chance then thar chance was lost.Then by that logic, remaining wouldn’t have worked either. I agree though that spending time after th3 referendum on agreeing the type of Brexit might have made things smother but no chance of that when Article 50 was triggered.
Saddleworth2
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Yeah, agree. The Labour Party sat on the fence and look where that got them. As @Rascal has eloquently described in the past, a socialist labour would not support EU membership so th3y should have been honest.....but of course didn’t want to lose their centre ground.Personally I put a lot of blame on Corbyn and the Labour party.They had the opportunity to use the Conservative slim majority to push for a cross party solution, along with tory rebels.That would have achieved a better kind of brexit. Once the election lost that chance then thar chance was lost.
Yeah, agree. The Labour Party sat on the fence and look where that got them. As @Rascal has eloquently described in the past, a socialist labour would not support EU membership so th3y should have been honest.....but of course didn’t want to lose their centre ground.
If they had done that, they’d have maybe gained/retained supporters in the red wall but lost a lot to the LibDems, just off the top of my head we’d have ended up with a hung parliament and probably Parliament being blocked for some time over the issue.
bluethrunthru
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Is Honda Swindon plant still shut?
it was supposed to re-start assembly yesterday but no announcement that it has done so. I can see them not bothering for the last 6 months - just pay the staff off and dismantle the plant.