Political relations between UK-EU

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metalblue said:
Ignoring that a trade deal with the US is a different level.

I know the trade agreement with Brazil took something like 20 years because of a similar backwards and forwarding.

The Canadian deal still went through after the Belgium government persuaded rebels to vote it through. Our own government was in favour of TTIPs so we would have been reliant on rebels halting it. It’s all a bit “Jesus is my airbag”. That you put all your faith in it is your choice but I remain very happy with my reasons for my choice and would do the same again in a heartbeat.
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Having recognised that our own government was in favour of handing powers to multinationals as part of TTIP, you're still happy you voted for Brexit? And you think it makes it less likely that we will eventually get saddled with something like that on even less favourable terms??

The prevention of TTIP ratification wasn't dependent on a few rebels in far flung regions of Europe. Opposition to it was fairly mainstream in larger countries like Germany. It was never going to happen while those unpalatable provisions were part of it, but it could now happen here in the UK now we no longer have much leverage when negotiating with larger competitors. Do you think the UK government would seek acceptance from the devolved assemblies and the regions? Not a fucking chance.
 
metalblue said:
Show me the exports that have double digit grown pre-COVID to now for the EU. I’ll wait.

I fully agree that trade barriers make trade harder and/or more expensive. They are protectionist by design.
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Eurostat have changed the way they report trade flows.

In the balance: Identifying differences between UK and EU trade figures | National Statistical

blog.ons.gov.uk blog.ons.gov.uk

Use the ONS instead

UK trade - Office for National Statistics

Total value of UK exports and imports of goods and services by current price, chained volume measures and implied deflators.
www.ons.gov.uk

“Exports of goods to the EU, excluding precious metals, were above pre-EU exit levels in May and June 2021; rising £1.2 billion (9.1%) to £14.1 billion in May 2021, followed by a further £0.2 billion (1.2%) to £14.3 billion in June 2021.”
 
Ah, I love the smell of chickens coming home to roost. Well, I would if we could get any chicken :)

‘Major problems with UK’s supply of food and other necessities “due to perfect storm of Brexit and Covid”

www.dailymail.co.uk

Retailers warn of festive chaos due to Brexit and Covid

Issues with shipping from Asia means shoppers may be offered a smaller range of products, with demand for best-selling items like Playstation 5s and Barbies threatening to outstrip supply.
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jaseirai said:
Eurostat have changed the way they report trade flows.

In the balance: Identifying differences between UK and EU trade figures | National Statistical

blog.ons.gov.uk blog.ons.gov.uk

Use the ONS instead

UK trade - Office for National Statistics

Total value of UK exports and imports of goods and services by current price, chained volume measures and implied deflators.
www.ons.gov.uk

“Exports of goods to the EU, excluding precious metals, were above pre-EU exit levels in May and June 2021; rising £1.2 billion (9.1%) to £14.1 billion in May 2021, followed by a further £0.2 billion (1.2%) to £14.3 billion in June 2021.”
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Nice bit of cherry picking. You failed to mention that the comparison is with a period in 2020 when much of the economy was shut down due to Covid.
 
Len Rum said:
Never mind- we're getting our UKCA mark soon and starting controls on EU imports end of September.
Aren't we?
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Brexit bonus. We've already got the new UK Energy label. Here's one I was looking at earlier with its shoddy EU counterpart next to it. Makes you proud to be British. Money well spent to set up an organisation that can copy an EU rating and replace the flag.
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west didsblue said:
Brexit bonus. We've already got the new UK Energy label. Here's one I was looking at earlier with its shoddy EU counterpart next to it. Makes you proud to be British. Money well spent to set up an organisation that can copy an EU rating and replace the flag.
View attachment 24697
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Well I never!
Think I'll treat myself to a milkshake at McDonald's!
 
Years ago when Manchester ran its own buses, it certainly trained its own drivers. There was no cost to the individual, though I don't know if there was any contract requiring you to stay with them for a given period. However, let us look at the modern world:

Is bus driving a job that gives you status? No.
Does it give you high pay? No.
Is there a load of hassle with the job? A fair amount.
Is its secure? Reasonably, but not a job for life.
Are there good terms and conditions? No. (There used to be back in the days of the 'inefficient' public sector.)
Is there an index-linked pension when you retire? Don't make me laugh!
Is the job an important role in society? Yes, very much so.

This set of questions and answers applies to many jobs in the current world. The fact is we have allowed a whole load of important jobs to become unattractive, and on top of that, we often expect people to qualify for them at their own expense.

We now have a serious shortage of labour despite the fact the economy is very far from booming.

We need to be realistic. a) We need more immigrants, certainly in the short term, whether people like it or not. And b) (equally important) we need to stop treating workers like disposable shite and accept that although they may be relatively low-paid their role in society is vital, and needs to be better recognised and rewarded.
 
BrianW said:
Years ago when Manchester ran its own buses, it certainly trained its own drivers. There was no cost to the individual, though I don't know if there was any contract requiring you to stay with them for a given period. However, let us look at the modern world:

Is bus driving a job that gives you status? No.
Does it give you high pay? No.
Is there a load of hassle with the job? A fair amount.
Is its secure? Reasonably, but not a job for life.
Are there good terms and conditions? No. (There used to be back in the days of the 'inefficient' public sector.)
Is there an index-linked pension when you retire? Don't make me laugh!
Is the job an important role in society? Yes, very much so.

This set of questions and answers applies to many jobs in the current world. The fact is we have allowed a whole load of important jobs to become unattractive, and on top of that, we often expect people to qualify for them at their own expense.

We now have a serious shortage of labour despite the fact the economy is very far from booming.

We need to be realistic. a) We need more immigrants, certainly in the short term, whether people like it or not. And b) (equally important) we need to stop treating workers like disposable shite and accept that although they may be relatively low-paid their role in society is vital, and needs to be better recognised and rewarded.
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Funnily enough, the value of people like bus drivers became clear during the first lockdown last year when they were designated as essential workers along with health workers, delivery drivers and supermarket workers, and they used to get a round of applause on the occasional Thursday night when it was broadened from just health workers. I get the impression that the government didn't learn the lesson that it's not a good idea to treat essential workers like shit in between the times when it becomes clear that the country can't function without them.
 
How on earth is this possible? I mean the EU is a bloc yeah? Its not like they could possibly be a sovereign nation with an individual vote or anything......

www.express.co.uk

Petty Macron blocks EU contract for UK company to patrol for migrants

FRANCE has blocked an EU decision to use a British company for controlling migrants crossings in the Channel.
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BobKowalski said:
I especially liked “for me, Brexit isn't perhaps all that we wished for”.

No shit.

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He fucked up - now he wants somebody else to fix it for him. No shits given here - these people knew exactly what they were voting for - we know that - they never stopped telling us - Jimmy needs to own his mistake and clean up his own shit - he can go pick crops and drive a delivery van thanks to Brexit - its a world of opportunity for him
 
bluejon said:
The amount of money that has been spent on GDPR by business, in terms of training and implementation, and it's all to be ripped up and replaced by.... fuck knows what, but you can guarantee it will be a shit show considering the people in charge of sorting it. We're a fucking joke.
https://www.theguardian.com/technol...vacy-rules-in-post-brexit-departure-from-gdpr
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You'd think government ministers would have learnt the lesson not to call new Brexit related initiatives "World leading" since it became clear that every supposed world leading thing that this country has done in the last 2 years has been expensive, late and totally not fit for purpose. Absolutely no reason to suspect that this initiative will not follow that same path before being quietly shelved, and we'll end up with the EU version plastered with a few union jacks.
 
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