Political relations between UK-EU

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Gabriel said:
Traveling into the EU is far more inconvenient for UK visitors now in terms of clearing immigration. I suppose, however, that it'll have been so long since so many visited that they will forgotten how straightforward and convenient it was.
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Just got back from a week in France, first time we’ve been for four years. The borders were a nightmare.
 
Gabriel said:
It's rather depressing when traveling to be stood watching people pass quickly and smoothly through the automated scanners as you wait in line with people from all four corners of the world to be checked manually. There are rarely more than a couple of officers on duty, and everyone in front of you appears to be asked more questions than in a round of Mastermind.
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Indeed. I am yet to visit the EU since the rules came in but closest I have in comparison is going through the non-EU line at Gatwick with a Brazilian.

Would have been 30-40 mins to get through the queue and by that time we missed the scheduled bus.

Apply the same situation in the EU and you will have to allow more time hanging about between connections to account for these bottlenecks and it easily turns simple and hassle free travel into frustrating and tiring trips.
 
meltonblue said:
Just got back from a week in France, first time we’ve been for four years. The borders were a nightmare.
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In both directions? I believe EU travelers are still able to pass via the automated barriers when entering the UK, at least in some locations, but in the future, that is a courtesy that might not be reciprocated to UK passport holders when entering the EU. Small beer for the inconvenienced individual, granted, but one does wonder whether anyone ever adds up all those small amounts of 'friction' and considers how that impacts productivity.
 
Fode N The Hole said:
Indeed. I am yet to visit the EU since the rules came in but closest I have in comparison is going through the non-EU line at Gatwick with a Brazilian.

Would have been 30-40 mins to get through the queue and by that time we missed the scheduled bus.

Apply the same situation in the EU and you will have to allow more time hanging about between connections to account for these bottlenecks and it easily turns simple and hassle free travel into frustrating and tiring trips.
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I've spoken to enough immigration officials to know that they greatly relish the opportunity to ask UK passport holders banal questions. It's a tedious job so they're entitled to derive a little pleasure from it, I guess, but I do wonder if in a few year's time people will just prefer to stay in the UK, partly because they have less money anyway but also because the 'just not worth the hassle' mantra will have taken hold. Shame.
 
Gabriel said:
In both directions? I believe EU travelers are still able to pass via the automated barriers when entering the UK, at least in some locations, but in the future, that is a courtesy that might not be reciprocated to UK passport holders when entering the EU. Small beer for the inconvenienced individual, granted, but one does wonder whether anyone ever adds up all those small amounts of 'friction' and considers how that impacts productivity.
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Yes both, took a lot longer than previously. Particularly the French side, used to be just straight off and go. I don’t think it helps that on neither side have they increased the amount of people working, there was only three kiosks open out of eight in Portsmouth.

The other issue is because of lack of space in the ports, it backed all the cars up and it blocked them from getting the next load of cars on the ferry, so that was delayed both ways too.
 
Gabriel said:
I've spoken to enough immigration officials to know that they greatly relish the opportunity to ask UK passport holders banal questions. It's a tedious job so they're entitled to derive a little pleasure from it, I guess, but I do wonder if in a few year's time people will just prefer to stay in the UK, partly because they have less money anyway but also because the 'just not worth the hassle' mantra will have taken hold. Shame.
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we will have taken back control and turned ourselves into a Gulag - tell Jacob we have identified a Brexit win
 
so much winning........

www.theguardian.com

‘An outrage’: Tories’ post-Brexit fund will not match EU grants until 2025

Shared Prosperity Fund criticised as ‘serious blow to levelling up’, with poorest regions predicted to lose out on millions
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www.standard.co.uk

Up to 40,000 jobs at risk as foreign pupils shun UK language schools

Kurt Janson, the director of the Tourism Alliance said the post-Brexit passport requirement had been devstating for the industry
www.standard.co.uk www.standard.co.uk

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Schengen: Brexit fallout: Indians can’t fly EU carriers to UK without transit Schengen visa - The Times of India

India Business News: The resumption of regular international flights has thrown up a new phenomenon. Indians supposed to travel to the UK on EU carriers like Lufthansa, Ai
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www.independent.co.uk

Chris Blackhurst | Haulier shortage encapsulates the trade disaster of Brexit

As the trade realities of being a non-EU member kick in many businesses face losing customers if they cannot provide reliable delivery services, writes Chris Blackhurst
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Gabriel said:
Traveling into the EU is far more inconvenient for UK visitors now in terms of clearing immigration. I suppose, however, that it'll have been so long since so many visited that they will forgotten how straightforward and convenient it was.
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I think they're complaining that the French aren't spending enough on passport control, but is the UK going to pay France for passport controls for taking back control of their borders, when it's because we left the EU? C'est votre lit...
 
Much harder to tell anyone how to run their business when you’ve declared that it’s none of your business.

I know that airports in general appear to be short of baggage handlers and other behind-the-scenes staff, but there never were that many immigration officers servicing the non-EU queues, so in that regard nothing has changed. It’s an inconvenience that other nationals have long experienced, but it’s just a new pleasure awaiting many who travel from the U.K. to the EU this summer.
 
Vic said:
I think they're complaining that the French aren't spending enough on passport control, but is the UK going to pay France for passport controls for taking back control of their borders, when it's because we left the EU? C'est votre lit...
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Its up to the French Govt to decide what they spend and where in relation to borders - nothing to do with us we left the EU thus diminishing any leverage we may have had. In any event they spent more and more time was also spent on infrastructure and recruitment- Johnsons mob were too busy lying telling us all it would not be needed - you can hardly say that whilst simultaneously building new customs facilities - its all built on lies - for example see the weekly airing of the " we will invoke A16 " threat which is only reported in the Express and doubtless completely ignored by the EU as its the ultimate empty threat
 
Gabriel said:
Much harder to tell anyone how to run their business when you’ve declared that it’s none of your business.

I know that airports in general appear to be short of baggage handlers and other behind-the-scenes staff, but there never were that many immigration officers servicing the non-EU queues, so in that regard nothing has changed. It’s an inconvenience that other nationals have long experienced, but it’s just a new pleasure awaiting many who travel from the U.K. to the EU this summer.
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Border Force = Tory obsession with macho language while cutting staff and weakening public services.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Its up to the French Govt to decide what they spend and where in relation to borders - nothing to do with us we left the EU thus diminishing any leverage we may have had. In any event they spent more and more time was also spent on infrastructure and recruitment- Johnsons mob were too busy lying telling us all it would not be needed - you can hardly say that whilst simultaneously building new customs facilities - its all built on lies - for example see the weekly airing of the " we will invoke A16 " threat which is only reported in the Express and doubtless completely ignored by the EU as its the ultimate empty threat
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There's a war on. Now is surely not the time to provoke a phoney trade war by ripping up the oven-ready world-beating deal we negotiated.
 
Gabriel said:
It's rather depressing when traveling to be stood watching people pass quickly and smoothly through the automated scanners as you wait in line with people from all four corners of the world to be checked manually. There are rarely more than a couple of officers on duty, and everyone in front of you appears to be asked more questions than in a round of Mastermind.
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Experienced this on Wednesday in Madrid. Thousands of blues queuing with planeloads from the US and other countries while the EU/EEA desks were clear. Some old bloke near us loudly complaining that it was Brussels punishing us for leaving the EU and made him even more sure we had done the right thing with Brexit. I don’t think the silly old fool realised that Brussels don’t operate Spanish airports and the UK is now just another 3rd country with no entitlement to be treated any differently from every other non-EEA country in the world.
 
west didsblue said:
Experienced this on Wednesday in Madrid. Thousands of blues queuing with planeloads from the US and other countries while the EU/EEA desks were clear. Some old bloke near us loudly complaining that it was Brussels punishing us for leaving the EU and made him even more sure we had done the right thing with Brexit. I don’t think the silly old fool realised that Brussels don’t operate Spanish airports and the UK is now just another 3rd country with no entitlement to be treated any differently from every other non-EEA country in the world.
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Express reader clearly
 
Ha ha ha - aw bless - the clowns think that

a/ Frost is popular and a man of the people
b/ he will gamble a gravy train for life on the off chance of winning a 2 year gig ooooppppp North - deluded

www.express.co.uk

Brexit: Tories to unveil returning hero to save Red Wall

LORD FROST has been hailed by the Tories as the man to hold key Red Wall seats and win the Wakefield by-election. Conservative MP Kevin Hollinrake has led calls for Lord Frost to give up his peerage and stand in the Wakefield by-election. The by-election will be a litmus test to see whether...
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