Population Growth

[intheknow!]

Europe is facing a quite different problem to the rest of the world. We literally are becoming the 'old Continent'. That will bring with it huge challenges and enormous financial costs because the population is ageing and living longer and longer, also birth rates are low. People who say, 'have less children' blah blah blah are missing the point, because in Europe, women like me are not having enough children NOT too many. Who will support the increasing numbers of elderly? Those who expect increasingly complex healthcare and benefits for a good standard of living? In economic terms the old are a drain on resources, they don't contribute anything to the economy because they take welfare in the form of pensions and all the healthcare they need, in terms of the chronic conditions and care needs associated with an ageing population, will place an enormous if not intolerable strain on public spending and health care systems.

A debate needs to happen in Europe, but not about restrictions on the number of children to have but about an ageing population. We need to start thinking more in terms of 'quality of life' and not 'life for the sake of it'.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqwHOHiSn3g[/youtube]

???? I've never heard of that programme?

 

[pominoz]

Europe is facing a quite different problem to the rest of the world. We literally are becoming the 'old Continent'. That will bring with it huge challenges and enormous financial costs because the population is ageing and living longer and longer, also birth rates are low. People who say, 'have less children' blah blah blah are missing the point, because in Europe, women like me are not having enough children NOT too many. Who will support the increasing numbers of elderly? Those who expect increasingly complex healthcare and benefits for a good standard of living? In economic terms the old are a drain on resources, they don't contribute anything to the economy because they take welfare in the form of pensions and all the healthcare they need, in terms of the chronic conditions and care needs associated with an ageing population, will place an enormous if not intolerable strain on public spending and health care systems.

A debate needs to happen in Europe, but not about restrictions on the number of children to have but about an ageing population. We need to start thinking more in terms of 'quality of life' and not 'life for the sake of it'.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqwHOHiSn3g[/youtube]

???? I've never heard of that programme?

<a class="postlink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan's_Run" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan's_Run</a>

"Logan's Run is a novel by William F. Nolan and George Clayton Johnson. Published in 1967, it depicts a dystopic ageist future society in which both population and the consumption of resources are maintained in equilibrium by requiring the death of everyone reaching a particular age. The story follows the actions of Logan, a Sandman charged with enforcing the rule, as he tracks down and kills citizens who "run" from society's lethal demand—only to end up "running" himself".

 

[Walkbustaxi]

What we need is for some mad scientist type to release an airborne virus that cuts the population growth in some way.

But like the Bond villain who can't help explaining every detail of his plan, this person will no doubt do his best to ruin everything by needlessly setting up a bunch of puzzles that could possibly be solved if someone were to contact a symbologist. Or summit like that.

 

[SWP's back]

Europe is facing a quite different problem to the rest of the world. We literally are becoming the 'old Continent'. That will bring with it huge challenges and enormous financial costs because the population is ageing and living longer and longer, also birth rates are low. People who say, 'have less children' blah blah blah are missing the point, because in Europe, women like me are not having enough children NOT too many. Who will support the increasing numbers of elderly? Those who expect increasingly complex healthcare and benefits for a good standard of living? In economic terms the old are a drain on resources, they don't contribute anything to the economy because they take welfare in the form of pensions and all the healthcare they need, in terms of the chronic conditions and care needs associated with an ageing population, will place an enormous if not intolerable strain on public spending and health care systems.

A debate needs to happen in Europe, but not about restrictions on the number of children to have but about an ageing population. We need to start thinking more in terms of 'quality of life' and not 'life for the sake of it'.

you want to kill old people don't you?<br /><br />-- Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:53 pm --<br /><br />

What we need is for some mad scientist type to release an airborne virus that cuts the population growth in some way.

But like the Bond villain who can't help explaining every detail of his plan, this person will no doubt do his best to ruin everything by needlessly setting up a bunch of puzzles that could possibly be solved if someone were to contact a symbologist. Or summit like that.

Already have that with Chemtrails. Ask buzzer

 

[intheknow!]

Europe is facing a quite different problem to the rest of the world. We literally are becoming the 'old Continent'. That will bring with it huge challenges and enormous financial costs because the population is ageing and living longer and longer, also birth rates are low. People who say, 'have less children' blah blah blah are missing the point, because in Europe, women like me are not having enough children NOT too many. Who will support the increasing numbers of elderly? Those who expect increasingly complex healthcare and benefits for a good standard of living? In economic terms the old are a drain on resources, they don't contribute anything to the economy because they take welfare in the form of pensions and all the healthcare they need, in terms of the chronic conditions and care needs associated with an ageing population, will place an enormous if not intolerable strain on public spending and health care systems.

A debate needs to happen in Europe, but not about restrictions on the number of children to have but about an ageing population. We need to start thinking more in terms of 'quality of life' and not 'life for the sake of it'.

you want to kill old people don't you?

Ha ha, not personally no.

It just annoys me how people go on about stopping women having babies, when in Europe the issue is not that we are having too many children but we are not having enough. It's the same when welfare is talked about. It's always 'scrounging single mothers' or 'women with lots of children' targeted, when the real problem is that 2/3rds of welfare is currently spent on pensioners and their entitlements. We need to understand that an ageing population will pose an enormous challenge to our standard of living and debate the strain on resources that will happen and how to address this. In Europe the 'Right to Die' and issues such as euthanasia are discussed in a much more sensible, non sensationalist and adult way. In Britain this is not possible such is the hysterical atmosphere.

The Netherlands, has a euthanasia Law designed to help adults riddled with “unbearable physical or mental suffering”, I would vote in favour of the same Law for Britain, if a referendum were ever held.

 

[pominoz]

Europe is facing a quite different problem to the rest of the world. We literally are becoming the 'old Continent'. That will bring with it huge challenges and enormous financial costs because the population is ageing and living longer and longer, also birth rates are low. People who say, 'have less children' blah blah blah are missing the point, because in Europe, women like me are not having enough children NOT too many. Who will support the increasing numbers of elderly? Those who expect increasingly complex healthcare and benefits for a good standard of living? In economic terms the old are a drain on resources, they don't contribute anything to the economy because they take welfare in the form of pensions and all the healthcare they need, in terms of the chronic conditions and care needs associated with an ageing population, will place an enormous if not intolerable strain on public spending and health care systems.

A debate needs to happen in Europe, but not about restrictions on the number of children to have but about an ageing population. We need to start thinking more in terms of 'quality of life' and not 'life for the sake of it'.

you want to kill old people don't you?

Ha ha, not personally no.

It just annoys me how people go on about stopping women having babies, when in Europe the issue is not that we are having too many children but we are not having enough. It's the same when welfare is talked about. It's always 'scrounging single mothers' or 'women with lots of children' targeted, when the real problem is that 2/3rds of welfare is currently spent on pensioners and their entitlements. We need to understand that an ageing population will pose an enormous challenge to our standard of living and debate the strain on resources that will happen and how to address this. In Europe the 'Right to Die' and issues such as euthanasia are discussed in a much more sensible, non sensationalist and adult way. In Britain this is not possible such is the hysterical atmosphere.

This is so fucked up it is hard to know where to start.
You do know that most of those "pensioners" have worked the balls off for many years, paying taxes as they go. Many also served in the forces.

"an ageing population will pose an enormous challenge to our standard of living and debate the strain on resources", these same people fucking made your "standard of living" possible.
The"its all about me attitude" in one post. I feel sick reading that.

 

[BimboBob]

How is Nigeria going to nearly triple in 30 odd years?

 

[pominoz]

How is Nigeria going to nearly triple in 30 odd years?

Lots and lots of fucking?

 

[intheknow!]

you want to kill old people don't you?

Ha ha, not personally no.

It just annoys me how people go on about stopping women having babies, when in Europe the issue is not that we are having too many children but we are not having enough. It's the same when welfare is talked about. It's always 'scrounging single mothers' or 'women with lots of children' targeted, when the real problem is that 2/3rds of welfare is currently spent on pensioners and their entitlements. We need to understand that an ageing population will pose an enormous challenge to our standard of living and debate the strain on resources that will happen and how to address this. In Europe the 'Right to Die' and issues such as euthanasia are discussed in a much more sensible, non sensationalist and adult way. In Britain this is not possible such is the hysterical atmosphere.

This is so fucked up it is hard to know where to start.
You do know that most of those "pensioners" have worked the balls off for many years, paying taxes as they go. Many also served in the forces.

"an ageing population will pose an enormous challenge to our standard of living and debate the strain on resources", these same people fucking made your "standard of living" possible.
The"its all about me attitude" in one post. I feel sick reading that.

They have also enjoyed advantages and opportunities not available to my generation and won't ever be again. For example: free higher and university educations, cheap housing that has risen and made them asset wealthy, easier access to the Labour market, lived and worked through times when work (knowledge based or manual) was plentiful, social mobility was higher, the Country was not competing with the developing world in terms of jobs, in the way it is now and individuals were not competing in an expanded internal Labour market. There was less debt, continuously rising living standards and they have also been protected from austerity.

The old cannot have everything, they have done damn well out of this Country, better than my generation or those that come after me will.

No-one should be forced to die and that's not what happens in European Countries where the 'Right to Die' is enshrined in Law, like Holland. If someone gets Alzheimers and wants to die before it completely takes over them and they need care etc, what's wrong with that? If someone is disabled to such an extent that life FOR THEM is unbearable, why shouldn't they have the choice to live or die?

Oh and the pensioners of today have not made my standard of living possible. I don't know what you base saying they have on?

 

[tidyman]

Ha ha, not personally no.

It just annoys me how people go on about stopping women having babies, when in Europe the issue is not that we are having too many children but we are not having enough. It's the same when welfare is talked about. It's always 'scrounging single mothers' or 'women with lots of children' targeted, when the real problem is that 2/3rds of welfare is currently spent on pensioners and their entitlements. We need to understand that an ageing population will pose an enormous challenge to our standard of living and debate the strain on resources that will happen and how to address this. In Europe the 'Right to Die' and issues such as euthanasia are discussed in a much more sensible, non sensationalist and adult way. In Britain this is not possible such is the hysterical atmosphere.

This is so fucked up it is hard to know where to start.
You do know that most of those "pensioners" have worked the balls off for many years, paying taxes as they go. Many also served in the forces.

"an ageing population will pose an enormous challenge to our standard of living and debate the strain on resources", these same people fucking made your "standard of living" possible.
The"its all about me attitude" in one post. I feel sick reading that.

They have also enjoyed advantages and opportunities not available to my generation and won't ever be again. For example: free higher and university educations, cheap housing that has risen and made them asset wealthy, easier access to the Labour market, lived and worked through times when work (knowledge based or manual) was plentiful, social mobility was higher and the Country was not competing with the developing world in terms of jobs, in the way it is now. Less debt and rising living standards and they have also been protected from austerity.

The old cannot have everything, they have done damn well out of this Country, better than my generation or those that come after me will.

No-one should be forced to die and that's not what happens in European Countries where the 'Right to Die' is enshrined in Law, like Holland. If someone gets Alzheimers and wants to die before it completely takes over them and they need care etc, what's wrong with that? If someone is disabled to such an extent that life FOR THEM is unbearable, why shouldn't they have the choice to live or die?

Euthanasia is a topic worthy of debate but I'm not sure the numbers involved in Holland or anywhere else make it relevant to the problem, if there is a problem of an ageing population.

And even if it did, any debate on euthanasia should be focused solely on the rights and wrongs of it as a stand alone issue and not as a conveniant aid to some sort of cull of the elderly.

I don't know why anyone would even mention euthenasia in a debate about populations.