Positive BBC thread

I’m sure there are some people who have sat down and very carefully weighed up the pros and cons of the BBC and decided in good faith that the balance is tipped in favour of defunding it for them personally.

I also that that there are many people who are convinced that every single thing they don’t like ( including the BBC ) is because the PC, lefty, woke mob have taken over the world. They use phrases like ‘MSM’ and ‘Uni-party’ a lot. And demand a return to the non existent halcyon days of their youth, when you could call a spade a spade, without Kier Starmer turning up and throwing you in a prison cell, he’s just released a bad nonce from to make room for them.
 
threespires said:
Whatever you do or don't think of the BBC, people probably undervalue it - I think there's been a couple of studies where people who say they don't like it/want to pay for it agree to be completely cut off from it. In one of them I think within 10 days two thirds had changed their minds; the other study was similar I think.
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A lot of people only judge it on what they get out of it and like rather than the services it provides for everyone. Even though I personally don’t consume it, I thought cuts to local radio were a real shame, as well as the damage to our soft power by cutting the world service.


mexico1970 said:
They have an annual estimated income of £5.5 billion and people think it's good value because they made Vicar Of Dibley once, we hear constantly that the left and right are unhappy with their political bias but yet the left constantly defend it in their droves.

End it, end it now :)
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I don’t think they do, I think the people that want it to continue to be politically neutral in its news output are the ones that defend it the most.
 
bennyboy said:
On the whole far better value than Sky.
The IPlayer a much under appreciated streaming service.
Early Doors still on and a great radio show as well.
www.bbc.co.uk

BBC Radio 4 - The Unbelievable Truth - Available now

Available episodes of The Unbelievable Truth
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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My eldest thought iPlayer was basically streaming for granny's until I actually got him to look at it properly and which point he changed his mind, there's definitely an image problem with younger adults (possibly older) that they need to find a way to address.


meltonblue said:
I don’t think they do, I think the people that want it to continue to be politically neutral in its news output are the ones that defend it the most.
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Apparently every year when they survey people about BBC bias, about 20% think it's too left wing, about 20% think it's too right wing and the other 60% are fine with it.
 
meltonblue said:
A lot of people only judge it on what they get out of it and like rather than the services it provides for everyone. Even though I personally don’t consume it, I thought cuts to local radio were a real shame, as well as the damage to our soft power by cutting the world service.




I don’t think they do, I think the people that want it to continue to be politically neutral in its news output are the ones that defend it the most.
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As I said, people who are right wing want it to shut, you're a left winger so you defend it.

That's what I stated.
 
Think how much effort is being made by so many social media/independent podcast/rival stations to constantly spout anti BBC rhetoric - get rid of the BBC and there's even more millions of news followers that will look elsewhere.
 
mexico1970 said:
As I said, people who are right wing want it to shut, you're a left winger so you defend it.

That's what I stated.
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I’m not a left winger though!

I know plenty of conservatives that still realise the importance of the bbc, I’d say the same for most that are anywhere across the centre left to centre right as well as those that don’t consider themselves particularly political at all. It’s the extremes that don’t like it and that’s true of both left and right wings - they judge it both more politically and more self-centeredly as a consequence.
 
meltonblue said:
I’m not a left winger though!

I know plenty of conservatives that still realise the importance of the bbc, I’d say the same for most that are anywhere across the centre left to centre right as well as those that don’t consider themselves particularly political at all. It’s the extremes that don’t like it and that’s true of both left and right wings - they judge it both more politically and more self-centeredly as a consequence.
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Ahh well mate you have your opinion and I have mine, for me it's a busted flush and for 5.5 billion quid a year we could invent something a little better at delivering entertainment and news.
 
mexico1970 said:
Ahh well mate you have your opinion and I have mine, for me it's a busted flush and for 5.5 billion quid a year we could invent something a little better at delivering entertainment and news.
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Just to check, are you saying you still want a public broadcaster, just not the BBC in its current guise? As that’s a different argument to scrapping it altogether.

I’d absolutely want to see changes to where they cut their funding and some of the things they still fund, I’m arguing them as being important from a public broadcast perspective, not how it’s currently run.
 
meltonblue said:
Just to check, are you saying you still want a public broadcaster, just not the BBC in its current guise? As that’s a different argument to scrapping it altogether.

I’d absolutely want to see changes to where they cut their funding and some of the things they still fund, I’m arguing them as being important from a public broadcast perspective, not how it’s currently run.
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What I am saying is that for 5.5 billion a year we could get a lot more, I'd fuck politics off it completely and just do programming, why because politics in this country is as divisive as fuck.

They are not cutting edge any more nobody cares, granted they make SOME excellent programs but for that amount of money they should be making a hell of a lot more.
 
mexico1970 said:
What I am saying is that for 5.5 billion a year we could get a lot more, I'd fuck politics off it completely and just do programming, why because politics in this country is as divisive as fuck.

They are not cutting edge any more nobody cares, granted they make SOME excellent programs but for that amount of money they should be making a hell of a lot more.
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Bear in mind it’s 3.5 billion, the rest of it is from money the bbc earns itself through other means.

Politics (and more importantly news, given its increasingly blurred with politician opinion nowadays) is absolutely divisive as fuck. That to me is a strong argument to retain the news side of it at least! Change how it’s ran and its board so it can get back to properly separating the two I’d completely agree with.

Personally I don’t particularly want them to be cutting edge in a lot of things they do, I just want them to continue to be there for the parts of society that use them. Local radio being a prime example. That’s not cutting edge at all, it’s not something I listen to at all, but it’s a service plenty of people do and find incredibly valuable.
 
meltonblue said:
Bear in mind it’s 3.5 billion, the rest of it is from money the bbc earns itself through other means.

Politics (and more importantly news, given its increasingly blurred with politician opinion nowadays) is absolutely divisive as fuck. That to me is a strong argument to retain the news side of it at least! Change how it’s ran and its board so it can get back to properly separating the two I’d completely agree with.

Personally I don’t particularly want them to be cutting edge in a lot of things they do, I just want them to continue to be there for the parts of society that use them. Local radio being a prime example. That’s not cutting edge at all, it’s not something I listen to at all, but it’s a service plenty of people do and find incredibly valuable.
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When a tree is cut down there is space for other trees to grow, we'll never agree on this I know and other opinions are of course valid but I will never change my mind on this one.

Too much money for very little return, it's time to pull the rug on the junket.
 
mexico1970 said:
When a tree is cut down there is space for other trees to grow, we'll never agree on this I know and other opinions are of course valid but I will never change my mind on this one.

Too much money for very little return, it's time to pull the rug on the junket.
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Fair enough. I’ll never change my mind that having the entire broadcast and news sector being privately owned is a far worse alternative either :)

I’m sure both opinions have got a lot of people supporting them.
 
Really_here said:
Would you be happy with a substantial increase in the licence fee to allow the BBC to bid for coverage of international sporting competitions ?
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There's no need whatsoever for the licence fee. It's an outdated tax used to fund the likes of Lineker and second rate presenters.

I'd be more than happy for the BBC to raise money through advertising, like all other TV companies.

Most BBC programmes are followed by lengthy promos (adverts) for their own upcoming shows and iPlayer. They're just as irritating as adverts on ITV etc.

Scrap the licence, make the BBC fend for itself.
 
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Lavinda Past said:
There's no need whatsoever for the licence fee. It's an outdated rax used to fund the likes of Lineker and second rate presenters.

I'd be more than happy for the BBC to raise money through advertising, like all other TV companies.

Most BBC programmes are followed by lengthy promos (adverts) for their own upcoming shows and iPlayer. They're just as irritating as adverts on ITV etc.

Scrap the licence, make the BBC fend for itself.
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You're entitled to your views but I think lots of really great programs would never have been made if the BBC model was like ITV and all the others. Leave well alone.
 
Really_here said:
You're entitled to your views but I think lots of really great programs would never have been made if the BBC model was like ITV and all the others. Leave well alone.
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Any good shows / programmes would almost certainly have been picked up by other TV companies even if the BBC didn't exist.

ITV / C4 etc models have produced many great programmes over the years.

The BBC has never had to work for it's money. As an organisation, it's little more than a government endorsed (and as such, influenced) parasite.

We're not living in the 1950s.
 
Lavinda Past said:
Any good shows / programmes would almost certainly have been picked up by other TV companies even if the BBC didn't exist.

ITV / C4 etc models have produced many great programmes over the years.

The BBC has never had to work for it's money. As an organisation, it's little more than a government endorsed (and as such, influenced) parasite.

We're not living in the 1950s.
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I'd give you a Jim fixed it for me or a blue peter badge for that post if I could mate :)
 
Lavinda Past said:
Any good shows / programmes would almost certainly have been picked up by other TV companies even if the BBC didn't exist.

ITV / C4 etc models have produced many great programmes over the years.

The BBC has never had to work for it's money. As an organisation, it's little more than a government endorsed (and as such, influenced) parasite.

We're not living in the 1950s.
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I’ve not seen all your posts, but have you listed what the BBC does well yet, as per the thread title?
As for Mexico, looks like you’re never off here mate, amazing since you’re not really very positive about the BBC are you?!
Perhaps I should start a Negative BBC thread so you can all congregate there ;-)
 
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