Possible new stadium - some interesting information

[Gordyola]

Some people here seem to act like City will be the first ever side to redevelop a stadium.

Over the past decade United have had the North Stand redeveloped and unroofed mid season, the Stretford end redeveloped and unroofed mid season and the stand opposite that redeveloped and unroofed mid season. Not forgetting that we played without a roof on the Kippax (in a 'building site' lol) from August until around March when it became all seater.

The talk of us not playing on a 'building site' and having to close the ground is so basic and stupid that I sometimes wonder if my opening sentence is actually factual. Anyone who thinks we won't play without a roof for a few months because we will be thrown out of the league, is quite frankly a bit weird.

Also when City redevelop, the roof for the rest of the stadium will obviously be supported by temporary support structures.

The difference between the swamp and the CoMS is the roof design, to develop one stand at the swamp is relatively easy because each roof is a single structure unlike the CoMS which has a single roof, each section is dependant on the other. Removing the roof would take too long and it would become a hugh building site resulting in H&S issues never mind the PL rules it is unlikely we would get a license to hold games there.

 

[Pigeonho]

Some people here seem to act like City will be the first ever side to redevelop a stadium.

Over the past decade United have had the North Stand redeveloped and unroofed mid season, the Stretford end redeveloped and unroofed mid season and the stand opposite that redeveloped and unroofed mid season. Not forgetting that we played without a roof on the Kippax (in a 'building site' lol) from August until around March when it became all seater.

The talk of us not playing on a 'building site' and having to close the ground is so basic and stupid that I sometimes wonder if my opening sentence is actually factual. Anyone who thinks we won't play without a roof for a few months because we will be thrown out of the league, is quite frankly a bit weird.

Also when City redevelop, the roof for the rest of the stadium will obviously be supported by temporary support structures.

The difference between the swamp and the CoMS is the roof design, to develop one stand at the swamp is relatively easy because each roof is a single structure unlike the CoMS which has a single roof, each section is dependant on the other. Removing the roof would take too long and it would become a hugh building site resulting in H&S issues never mind the PL rules it is unlikely we would get a license to hold games there.

Is it all one though? I know it looks like it, to the eye, but it was only ever built with 3 sides having a roof at the start, so surely that means each side is removable without threatening the stability of the others?

 

[Gordyola]

The difference between the swamp and the CoMS is the roof design, to develop one stand at the swamp is relatively easy because each roof is a single structure unlike the CoMS which has a single roof, each section is dependant on the other. Removing the roof would take too long and it would become a hugh building site resulting in H&S issues never mind the PL rules it is unlikely we would get a license to hold games there.

Is it all one though? I know it looks like it, to the eye, but it was only ever built with 3 sides having a roof at the start, so surely that means each side is removable without threatening the stability of the others?

Yes it is all one although the North Stand was structure was missing for the games the primary roof structure, the cable-net, was in place

 

[fbloke]

The difference between the swamp and the CoMS is the roof design, to develop one stand at the swamp is relatively easy because each roof is a single structure unlike the CoMS which has a single roof, each section is dependant on the other. Removing the roof would take too long and it would become a hugh building site resulting in H&S issues never mind the PL rules it is unlikely we would get a license to hold games there.

Is it all one though? I know it looks like it, to the eye, but it was only ever built with 3 sides having a roof at the start, so surely that means each side is removable without threatening the stability of the others?

The cabling, anchor points and spirals etc were in place they added the stand and rood panels later.

 

[Gordyola]

Some people here seem to act like City will be the first ever side to redevelop a stadium.

Over the past decade United have had the North Stand redeveloped and unroofed mid season, the Stretford end redeveloped and unroofed mid season and the stand opposite that redeveloped and unroofed mid season. Not forgetting that we played without a roof on the Kippax (in a 'building site' lol) from August until around March when it became all seater.

The talk of us not playing on a 'building site' and having to close the ground is so basic and stupid that I sometimes wonder if my opening sentence is actually factual. Anyone who thinks we won't play without a roof for a few months because we will be thrown out of the league, is quite frankly a bit weird.

Also when City redevelop, the roof for the rest of the stadium will obviously be supported by temporary support structures.

You obviously have no idea of construction nor of health and safety regulations

The redevelopment of CoMS would be a unique situation and is not comparable with what has happened at other sporting venues and to do so is, in your words, so basic and stupid

Playing without a roof with respect to football authorities r&r IMHO I would expect we would obtain a temporary dispensation

There may well be ways of constructing temporary supports for the roof whilst a section is removed but it would not be easy due to the pre-tensioned cables involved.

One thing is a fact the roof design does not allow for an easy extension of the stadium and this is something that Dennis Tueart confirmed on Radio Manchester a year or so ago. DT sat on the stadium committee and was told this by Arup

 

[jrb]

LBH, the Rags may have extended OT and made it the largest stadium in England, but it's a f***ing pigs ear inside(and outisde). Those that went to the semi-final and stood in the K-Stand upper tier will testify. Internal grey breeze block walls, hiedous concrete and metal stairwells, a small, dark and gloomy concorse, poor seats, poor leg room and a hideous low roof.

Don't let any rag tell you OT is any different, because it ain't.

Having COMS really shows how lucky we are, even though it's not perfect.

 

[squirtyflower]

LBH, the Rags may have extended OT and made it the largest stadium in England, but it's a f***ing pigs ear inside(and outisde). Those that went to the semi-final and stood in the K-Stand upper tier will testify. Internal grey breeze block walls, hiedous concrete and metal stairwells, a small, dark and gloomy concorse, poor seats, poor leg room and a hideous low roof.

Don't let any rag tell you OT is any different, because it ain't.

Having COMS really shows how lucky we are, even though it's not perfect.

you forgot to mention the shit view and the dangerously small stairwells

 

[Pigeonho]

LBH, the Rags may have extended OT and made it the largest stadium in England, but it's a f***ing pigs ear inside(and outisde). Those that went to the semi-final and stood in the K-Stand upper tier will testify. Internal grey breeze block walls, hiedous concrete and metal stairwells, a small, dark and gloomy concorse, poor seats, poor leg room and a hideous low roof.

Don't let any rag tell you OT is any different, because it ain't.

Having COMS really shows how lucky we are, even though it's not perfect.

This. I went to OT for the England qualifier in 01', (the Greece game). Me and are kid just sat there at times, taking the piss out of the stadium and its poorness, much to the annoyance of the southern united fans who, like me, were also experiencing their first time in the stadium.

 

[blumoonrisen]

Of course the roof can be removed in sections..! it's not a prefab thing that was lowered into place..!
But as has already been pointed out these people don't do things by halves, we are more likely to end up with a new stadium which will be the best and most original design in the world.

 

[Gordyola]

Of course the roof can be removed in sections..! it's not a prefab thing that was lowered into place..!
But as has already been pointed out these people don't do things by halves, we are more likely to end up with a new stadium which will be the best and most original design in the world.

No it can't

 

[fbloke]

Of course the roof can be removed in sections..! it's not a prefab thing that was lowered into place..!
But as has already been pointed out these people don't do things by halves, we are more likely to end up with a new stadium which will be the best and most original design in the world.

No it can't

I think people are getting confused with the roof panels and the 'roof' per se.

The roof panels can be removed but not easily but that doesnt remove the cable system and the massive anchors into the ground.

 

[HelloCity]

Here's how it will go down...

- Stadium plans confirmed before 2011

Starting Summer 2011

- Pitch lowered by two metres and additional rows of seating put into place, followed by a new heating system and pitch.

Starting Summer 2012

- North Stand roof removed.
-Temporary structures are used to keep the balance of the remaining roof structure.
- A third tier is added to the North Stand and a new roof it added
- The modern new North Stand exterior begins to give COMS a unique feel

Starting summer 2014

- The South Stand gets the same going over as the North Stand

 

[Gordyola]

Here's how it will go down...

- Stadium plans confirmed before 2011

Starting Summer 2011

- Pitch lowered by two metres and additional rows of seating put into place, followed by a new heating system and pitch.

Starting Summer 2012

- North Stand roof removed.
-Temporary structures are used to keep the balance of the remaining roof structure.
- A third tier is added to the North Stand and a new roof it added
- The modern new North Stand exterior begins to give COMS a unique feel

Starting summer 2014

- The South Stand gets the same going over as the North Stand

Wonderland! where anything is possible.

 

[The Fixer]

Here's how it will go down...

- Stadium plans confirmed before 2011

Starting Summer 2011

- Pitch lowered by two metres and additional rows of seating put into place, followed by a new heating system and pitch.

Starting Summer 2012

- North Stand roof removed.
-Temporary structures are used to keep the balance of the remaining roof structure.
- A third tier is added to the North Stand and a new roof it added
- The modern new North Stand exterior begins to give COMS a unique feel

Starting summer 2014

- The South Stand gets the same going over as the North Stand

Wonderland! where anything is possible.

When Sheik Mansour is involved anything is possible :)

 

[nijinskybell]

Here's how it will go down...

- Stadium plans confirmed before 2011

Starting Summer 2011

- Pitch lowered by two metres and additional rows of seating put into place, followed by a new heating system and pitch.

Starting Summer 2012

- North Stand roof removed.
-Temporary structures are used to keep the balance of the remaining roof structure.
- A third tier is added to the North Stand and a new roof it added
- The modern new North Stand exterior begins to give COMS a unique feel

Starting summer 2014

- The South Stand gets the same going over as the North Stand

Are we having a smaller pitch then? Or are they going down 2m vertically? Surely, there isn't enough room to dig down further and this would also cause problems for getting daylight to the pitch.

 

[es1]

Here's how it will go down...

- Stadium plans confirmed before 2011

Starting Summer 2011

- Pitch lowered by two metres and additional rows of seating put into place, followed by a new heating system and pitch.

Starting Summer 2012

- North Stand roof removed.
-Temporary structures are used to keep the balance of the remaining roof structure.
- A third tier is added to the North Stand and a new roof it added
- The modern new North Stand exterior begins to give COMS a unique feel

Starting summer 2014

- The South Stand gets the same going over as the North Stand

Are we having a smaller pitch then? Or are they going down 2m vertically? Surely, there isn't enough room to dig down further and this would also cause problems for getting daylight to the pitch.

i'm not sure lowering the pitch by 2 metres, compared to the current levels of sunlight it gets, will have a huge effect on the sunlight the pitch gets, baring in mind the club already uses those light gantries during the night!

 

[nijinskybell]

Are we having a smaller pitch then? Or are they going down 2m vertically? Surely, there isn't enough room to dig down further and this would also cause problems for getting daylight to the pitch.

i'm not sure lowering the pitch by 2 metres, compared to the current levels of sunlight it gets, will have a huge effect on the sunlight the pitch gets, baring in mind the club already uses those light gantries during the night!

Dunno. Just doesn't seem a straight-forward job.

 

[not my fault!]

We are not getting a new stadium! Development of COMS is whats going to happen.

 

[blumoonrisen]

Of course the roof can be removed in sections..! it's not a prefab thing that was lowered into place..!
But as has already been pointed out these people don't do things by halves, we are more likely to end up with a new stadium which will be the best and most original design in the world.

No it can't

I'm qualified and confident enough to say it can.!
The inner ring and cable supports would stay in place until the new roof structure is completed with its own ring section, which is then attached and tensioned to the existing one resulting in one continuous ring angling up to the new higher section, before removing the old part.

Roof structure
Concept and structural systems
A central feature of The City of Manchester Stadium is its
distinctive and dynamic form, key to which is the structural
solution for supporting the roof. The roof structure essentially
comprises two separate structural systems.
12 cigar-shaped tubular steel masts up to 65m high
support a total of 76 spiral strand forestay cables in fanshaped
groups of five or seven cables per mast. Each
forestay supports an individual rafter. The rafters are supported at the rear of the Stadium bowl through integrated V-strut columns on the
concrete bowl. The V-struts allow sufficient headroom
between the rear seating terraces and roof structure as well
as providing for transfer of horizontal thrust from the rafters
to the bowl. Towards the inside of the Stadium the rafters
cantilever by up to 14m beyond the support provided by
the forestays.

 

[Frank Gallagher]

your qualified...... with a statement like that! building a bigger higher roof & then expecting the existing supports to take the forces x god knows how much more??????????

sorry mate, no way on gods earth

removal of the complete roof before any new one above it & we will all be in the Gene Kelly stand for a season or 2