Post Match Thread: Election 2017

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Again, have you seen the pensions crisis that currently grips the nation?
It's a pension crisis as people aren't saving as much and they are living longer. It's the exact opposite of what you are saying.

Based on the "pension crisis" you're talking about then absolutely it's important that companies do well to increase the capitalisation of the funds to make up for the meagre amount people are saving towards their own retirement.
 
That's either simply not true or you're in a weird scheme.

Mind telling me what it is?

Annuities pay around 5% based on current rates and likely time span of payments (20 years).

But you're right, people need to put more aside for their own retirement than they do at present. Either that or not live as long. Annuity rates would be a lot higher if everyone started retiring at 65 and dying at 68 again.

I have one that quoted £250,000 fund would expect a return £6k PA = I have to live to 107 to get my cash back. No way I will make 80
 
Then when you get to the end annuity's are so low, that you don't get back what you put in before you are dead.
The whole point of actuaries is so that the average person will get back what they put in and more before they die.

At present for those retiring at 65, it means living until you're 80 (which is below the forecast life expectancy for someone that is 65) taking into account the 25% tax free cash available at crystallisation.

You also have the option of phased draw down to enjoy a great income when you first retire.
 
It's a pension crisis as people aren't saving as much and they are living longer. It's the exact opposite of what you are saying.

Based on the "pension crisis" you're talking about then absolutely it's important that companies do well to increase the capitalisation of the funds to make up for the meagre amount people are saving towards their own retirement.

I read that Gordon Brown's tax raid on pension funds has made everyone's fund ON AVERAGE worth around £100,000 less at retirement.

This has not helped, has it!
 
The whole point of actuaries is so that the average person will get back what they put in and more before they die.

At present for those retiring at 65, it means living until you're 80 (which is below the forecast life expectancy for someone that is 65) taking into account the 25% tax free cash available at crystallisation.

You also have the option of phased draw down to enjoy a great income when you first retire.

This for me then jump off the viaduct.
 
The whole point of actuaries is so that the average person will get back what they put in and more before they die.

At present for those retiring at 65, it means living until you're 80 (which is below the forecast life expectancy for someone that is 65) taking into account the 25% tax free cash available at crystallisation.

You also have the option of phased draw down to enjoy a great income when you first retire.
Actuaries are the most sinfully dull people in Christendom.
 
I have one that quoted £250,000 fund would expect a return £6k PA = I have to live to 107 to get my cash back. No way I will make 80

You could take £62,500 out in cash, tax free. and take the other £187,500 out and pay tax on it. If you took it out in moderate amounts, you'd only have to pay 20% tax, and you will have saved at least that much when the money went it. Either way, you can withdraw your money and have paid less tax on it than had you never bothered to save.
 
It's a pension crisis as people aren't saving as much and they are living longer. It's the exact opposite of what you are saying.

Based on the "pension crisis" you're talking about then absolutely it's important that companies do well to increase the capitalisation of the funds to make up for the meagre amount people are saving towards their own retirement.
There is, of course, another pension crisis looming, if this freedom of movement issue isn't nailed down very soon. We all know that the state pension has never been invested and has been paid for by the people who are working. If we're not careful, the working age, tax paying, healthy Europeans who are here will be leaving and the frail, elderly pensioners currently living abroad, will all be coming back. If taxes aren't to rise I cannot see how this will be anything close to being affordable.
 
You could take £62,500 out in cash, tax free. and take the other £187,500 out and pay tax on it. If you took it out in moderate amounts, you'd only have to pay 20% tax, and you will have saved at least that much when the money went it. Either way, you can withdraw your money and have paid less tax on it than had you never bothered to save.

That will help with my Dignitas charges €4,000.
 
You're very very wrong.

And by your reckoning, the Tories nearly won in Scotland.

150% more seats than them, yes it was close. More seats than all the unionist parties combined. There was no way in hell SNP were going to get the same number as last time.

This wasn't a vote for the Tories. It was unionist/loyalists voting Tory to stop Corbyn and his more relaxed view on Indy 2. Davidson has been lauded for a genius campaign, if tying into sectarian division is the route then we are all fucked.

People up here didn't vote Tory in the back of that disastrous manifesto and campaign, rather, they would vote anything, even against policies that would benefit them, to keep the queen and be Protestant British.

Davidson rode the King Billy horse just as her English colleagues rode the immigration one to appease and attract UKIP and other Brexiteers.

Now we have the hypocracy of the Tories forming a govt with an extreme right wing party aligned to loyalist paramilitaries who are a 17th century cult of religious and social intolerance.

Corbyn tried to get them to talk and this talking led the way to the Good Friday Agreement.

Indy ref is now off the agenda. If it continues to be the Tory vote will fall next time. By the way, I am fully supportive of people's right to vote any way they please. To vote for a shit future for them and their children under the Tories is seen my people whose lives take second place to the Qyeen. Up here we have monarchist socialists, the monarchy comes first though.

So, let's not confuse the motivation. It wasn't Tory love, it wasn't hard Brexit love and it certainly wasn't Ruth love.
 
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