Post Match Thread: Election 2017

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worsleyweb said:
Does anyone think it is possible to have a party which is exactly in the Middle or the left And right? Or is that just not possible? You either want solcialism or capitalism?
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I think had the Lib Dems been pro-Brexit (following the popular vote), they'd have hit that sweet spot. They had reasonably sensible spending plans funded by taxing across the board. For the many, owned by the many.
 
CityStu said:
I think had the Lib Dems been pro-Brexit (following the popular vote), they'd have hit that sweet spot. They had reasonably sensible spending plans funded by taxing across the board. For the many, owned by the many.
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They missed a trick
 
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http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/05/10/liam-byrne-general-election_n_7250604.html

£60billion bill
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/8408774/Labour-left-taxpayer-60billion-bill-for-new-hospitals.html
Let's just say they knew how to spend money when they were in power ;-)
 
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Gaylord du Bois said:
3 million unemployed back then, wasn't it? As a matter of interest what's your definition of the "service industry" ? Are you including the care of the elderly and infirm? If so, your comment smacks of inverted snobbery.
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My definition of the service industry is the same as the OECDs. Strange comment.

And unemployment reached 12%.

We have three types of work; agricultural, manufacturing and service.

For thousands of years, people mainly worked in agriculture/mining. Then the Industrial Revolution happened and the economy switched to a manufacturing base as mechanization was better than humans. Then the digital age happened and the economy switched to a service base bevause robotic arms and programmable factory machines are a better assembly line than humans. Now we're on the verge of the robotic revolution where robots (computer programs with weak AI, not actual robots) are becoming better at the service jobs.

There's nowhere left to go. There's no next pillar of the economy to jump to. That's all there is.
 
Damocles said:
My definition of the service industry is the same as the OECDs. Strange comment.

And unemployment reached 12%.

We have three types of work; agricultural, manufacturing and service.

For thousands of years, people mainly worked in agriculture/mining. Then the Industrial Revolution happened and the economy switched to a manufacturing base as mechanization was better than humans. Then the digital age happened and the economy switched to a service base bevause robotic arms and programmable factory machines are a better assembly line than humans. Now we're on the verge of the robotic revolution where robots (computer programs with weak AI, not actual robots) are becoming better at the service jobs.

There's nowhere left to go. There's no next pillar of the economy to jump to. That's all there is.
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Any chance of putting that in layman's terms? And I've not a clue what the OECD is, when it's in town.
Oh and...video didn't kill the radio star. (my guess is that you've never lived under that threat ;)
 
Damocles said:
My definition of the service industry is the same as the OECDs. Strange comment.

And unemployment reached 12%.

We have three types of work; agricultural, manufacturing and service.

For thousands of years, people mainly worked in agriculture/mining. Then the Industrial Revolution happened and the economy switched to a manufacturing base as mechanization was better than humans. Then the digital age happened and the economy switched to a service base bevause robotic arms and programmable factory machines are a better assembly line than humans. Now we're on the verge of the robotic revolution where robots (computer programs with weak AI, not actual robots) are becoming better at the service jobs.

There's nowhere left to go. There's no next pillar of the economy to jump to. That's all there is.
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Who makes the robots?
 
west didsblue said:
I know quite a few people who voted for Brexit for reasons other than controlling immigration. If you added the remainers to the brexiters for whom immigration control was not a key issue it would come to well over half of the electorate. A soft Brexit would meet the aspirations of a lot more people than a hard Brexit in my opinion.
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I don't believe it would. I voted for Brexit for reasons other than controlling immigration, it was one of my least concerns about the EU at the time but at the time opting out of the freedom of movement aspect was touted as the key aspect of Brexit alongside full sovereignty so I knew full well what Brexit meant. I knew there was a lot more tied into the freedom of movement aspect including a potential future of visas and massive hassle for several industries but the TTIP in waiting of a Bremain dwarfed all those issues for me. On each of these aspects there are several issues to consider people may take different views on so you have to draw the line, the country can't vote on every aspect of it.
 
Bluemanc100 said:
Struggling with wifi due to an electric storm in Cuba.. no check in for our flight either as the "Check in system is down... 2 hours and counting"

Damocles posted earlier an eloquent post that I can't now find and I penned this reply..

I'm interested in who let the needy down? Surely the puppeteers who engineered Corbyn's election.. I've never voted Labour in my life but after the campaign I might have done IF Corbyn hadn't been at the helm... I could not or would not compromise my own principles to overlook what he stands for..

My opinion, he does not deserve to lead the party and certainly doesn't deserve to become PM... a Leopard doesn't change its spots... nor will Jezzer

A very difficult scenario but one that is totally of Labour's making... McCluskey and Co need to take a long hard look at themselves.

If Chuka (sp) had stood and been elected I would probably have broken the habit of a lifetime and voted for him...

May has either been very badly advised or she has made the assumption that the electorate are idiots and again, my opinion, her campaign and her whole demeanour has had been totally removed from the mettle and personality needed for the role she occupies...

Regardless of the result, I agree with Damocles that a simple change of leadership is all that is needed... in that regard it's a shame that the vote of no confidence and leadership vote didn't pan out as expected because the only other option was the Welsh guy (I forget his name) who appeared to be unelectable also...the opponent had to have been hand picked by those who got Corbyn into the lead in the first place so as not to upset the status quo
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Us Labour members voted JC for the leader of our party,keep your nose out sunshine.
 
Damocles said:
Hmm. Yeah.

"We lost an election so this obviously means all our policies that 42 million people voted against and allowed the weakest Tory candidate in history to form a Government were actually right, and you pointing out it could never win in the seats that it never won in is what caused us to lose the election."

We lost because Middle England yet again went Blue. This was somewhat offset by a stronger youth vote than expected.

If you don't win the aspirational middle class, you don't win the election. Exactly the mistake Brown first made and then Ed and then Jez.

Listen I like Corbyn. I voted for him twice. But he can't win in that crucial battleground as he proved.

Politics is a means to an end but the far left are trying to turn it into a means in itself. The point is to win elections and enact policy. Without that you may as well be sat with a thumb up your arse.

We did better than most expected including me. But it's still a failure. Being less shit than expected still makes you shit
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Whilst I agree with a lot of what you say and I've never understood how the left of the party can be happy being a party of protest rather than government. Blair understood that if your 'wish list' was a cake, having 3/4 (or 1/2) of the cake was infinitely better than having no cake. The left always want all the cake or none of it and that is, and always has been, a sense of enormous frustration for me. Hopefully they can move towards the centre and take some of those blue seats, if there's another election. I do fear, with the boundary redrawing in 2018, it's now or never!
There is one other major difference that Corbin has to contend with though, and that is Scotland and the SNP. Blair got 56 seats in 1997 and 2001 and Corbin will need to do something similar.
 
CitizenTID said:
I don't believe it would. I voted for Brexit for reasons other than controlling immigration, it was one of my least concerns about the EU at the time but at the time opting out of the freedom of movement aspect was touted as the key aspect of Brexit alongside full sovereignty so I knew full well what Brexit meant. I knew there was a lot more tied into the freedom of movement aspect including a potential future of visas and massive hassle for several industries but the TTIP in waiting of a Bremain dwarfed all those issues for me. On each of these aspects there are several issues to consider people may take different views on so you have to draw the line, the country can't vote on every aspect of it.
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TTIP was the deciding factor for me to vote remain, no way will the UK alone be able to say no, or have the political nouse to recognise the danger, every indication was that the people of Europe would put up more of a a fight than the Tories, .......hey ho
 
lloydie said:
TTIP was the deciding factor for me to vote remain, no way will the UK alone be able to say no, or have the political nouse to recognise the danger, every indication was that the people of Europe would put up more of a a fight than the Tories, .......hey ho
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I think it was the fact MEPs could only read it in about 10 mins, not allowed to take notes and under the watch of 2 US embassy guards that scared/angered me. They said it fell apart completely after Brexit though. If MEPs had to vote on it, wouldn't the house of commons and lords have to vote on it if they tried it just with us? I see your reasoning but I'm more confident MPs other than Tory would deny it - think that was my thought process at the time. Course depends on the makeup of the house if it's ever touted here (hopefully not).
 
Bluemanc100 said:
You reap what you sew....
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CitizenTID said:
You work for the Sun? More and more people are seeing through your Tory bullshit thankfully. Those doubtful of him before the election will be thinking different now.
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I don't actually but I find myself between a rock and a hard place now... May has sold her soul to the devil and the DUP instead of falling on her sword so if there was another election next week I'd likely spoil my voting card...

I couldn't vote for Corbin as explained as ex-mil.. with the DUP shit I'd be unable to vote for the Tories either..

Campaign wise Corbyn played a blinder.. not hard when the opposition refuse to engage in public..

Mcr flight boarding so ciao for now
 
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