Post Match Thread: Election 2017

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somethingelse said:
Corbyn sacked his cabinet two or three times didn't he,his party was in full revolt and he didn't have to resign ,but May has to resign because she won an election,doesnt make sense
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If I was used to shooting low 70's at golf and had a 90, I'd be mortified. If I had never broken 100 and shot 90, I'd be buying the drinks in the clubhouse.
 
I've checked properly and there are 52 seats that are easily winnable for Labour with a small (up to 2.5%) swing from the Conservatives & SNP. That would effectively turn the current position around with Labour having the bulk of the seats but just short of an overall majority.
 
somethingelse said:
Corbyn sacked his cabinet two or three times didn't he,his party was in full revolt and he didn't have to resign ,but May has to resign because she won an election,doesnt make sense
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If she was in London's Burning she'd be "Charisma"

Zero passion, zero skill as a public speaker.. very worrying for a PM.... the alliance is a disaster and will bring the government down surely... it has to be untenable
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
I've checked properly and there are 52 seats that are easily winnable for Labour with a small (up to 2.5%) swing from the Conservatives & SNP. That would effectively turn the current position around with Labour having the bulk of the seats but just short of an overall majority.
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This is presuming that all the Remain voters stick with Labour.

The smart Tory move here is to stick with May, get the Brexit deal done THEN chop her and call an election. There's no Remain/Leave any more so you won't see results like Kensington and the Brexit deal can be blamed on May if it fails but claimed by the new guy if it succeeds.
 
Damocles said:
This is presuming that all the Remain voters stick with Labour.

The smart Tory move here is to stick with May, get the Brexit deal done THEN chop her and call an election. There's no Remain/Leave any more so you won't see results like Kensington and the Brexit deal can be blamed on May if it fails but claimed by the new guy if it succeeds.
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It's just a straight swing but it could be influenced by a number of factors. For example if the right-wing little-Englanders put pressure on May/Davis for a hard Brexit then many Tory voters who didn't vote UKIP might switch. If Corbyn wasn't the leader then that might eliminate some of the negativity around him.

I know you feel that Labour needs o be more centrist in its appeal and up to recently I would have agreed with you. But I'm not sure there is a centre at the moment. It's either more austerity or actually doing something radical to put the economy back on track and make it more inclusive. Someone like Clive Lewis, Barry Gardiner or Angela Rayner fronting the same manifesto could do it I believe.
 
Damocles said:
This is presuming that all the Remain voters stick with Labour.

The smart Tory move here is to stick with May, get the Brexit deal done THEN chop her and call an election. There's no Remain/Leave any more so you won't see results like Kensington and the Brexit deal can be blamed on May if it fails but claimed by the new guy if it succeeds.
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Telegraph reporting that two thirds of 'Conservative Home' members think May needs to go.

I would imagine her coterie will be sacrificed over the weekend, but then that'll be interpreted as her blaming others for the disaster and her shirking responsibility.

Express reporting that it was David Davis who encouraged May to hold the snap election.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
I've checked properly and there are 52 seats that are easily winnable for Labour with a small (up to 2.5%) swing from the Conservatives & SNP. That would effectively turn the current position around with Labour having the bulk of the seats but just short of an overall majority.
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Yep. And does anyone think May's approval rating is going anywhere but down? The billionaire owned media are lining up Boris for f**k sake!!!

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Happy days!
 
cibaman said:
There wouldnt have been a formal coalition. But I dont think the Lib dems would have voted down a Labour Queen's Speech. Although, in that hypothetical election, Labour probably would have hoped they did. The tories would surely lose more seats if there were an immediate 2nd general election.
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I highly doubt that the Lib Dems would have backed a Queens speech with the financial commitments and methods of payment in the Labour Party manifesto. Tim Farron and other Lib Dems said it was the economics of La La Land and IMO they're right.
Great promises but the pace of change in business taxation to pay for it would kill the economy - investment would crash, inflation would reduce the value of wages and result in tax avoidance. What then? Inrease Debt or the 40% tax rate? Increasing the UK defecit would crash the UK credit rating. Gov bonds would cost more, possibly a lot more.
Labour running a defecit from 2012 to 2009 literally killed the ability of the UK to recover from a crash.
 
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Machiavelli said:
You would still need designers, sales, installers, project managers, service, maintenance and emergency breakdown staff to facilitate the use of any robot/machine. Teams of staff just to keep the robots going. Then the companies who employ that work force will still need, admin, receptionists, payroll clerks, middle and top level management, accountants, cleaners. The office they work at will still have to function so you will need stationary suppliers, drivers to deliver those supplies, furniture makers, computers/IT staff, builders to build the buildings they work in, utilities, transportation to get them to work, someone to feed those staff........ I could literally go on forever. AI/automation will, and is, replacing some jobs undoubtedly but I can't see it being anything like the description you posted. Now whether or not we will have the skills available is another question but again I disagree everyone will need a computer programming degree.
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The number of people that are needed to support delivery of these systems is much lower than you think. Support operations are being hit by the AI automation revolution and your traditional Project Manager will soon be a thing of the past.
 
somethingelse said:
Corbyn sacked his cabinet two or three times didn't he,his party was in full revolt and he didn't have to resign ,but May has to resign because she won an election,doesnt make sense
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The election result has to be seen in context. Before the campaign started, Labour was on 26% and the Tories were 18% ahead. A Tory landslide and a Labour wipe-out was predicted. Instead, Labour got 41% and the Tories lost their majority. Corbyn got a larger share of the vote than Ed Miliband in 2015, Gordon Brown in 2010 and Tony Blair in 2005.

The Tories and the Blairites can see where this is heading, hence the panic.
 
Bluemanc100 said:
Between her NHS work and private clinics....

My missus did 30 years in total in the NHS lastly running a centre of excellence at the infamous Stafford Hospital and in all that time the red tape has dragged the service down...

Too many non medical managers in situ seems to be the problem.. good managers we hope but with no patient skills.

Nursing is a vocation and not simply a career choice.. it's about heart as much as technical expertise
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With respect but that comment is a dsgrace and you need to give your head a wobble.
As a Registrar she only works in the NHS and only ever intends to.
 
BlueAnorak said:
With respect but that comment is a dsgrace and you need to give your head a wobble.
As a Registrar she only works in the NHS and only ever intends to.
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She's in a minority then chap.... once she gets to Consultant you are telling me she won't see private patients... not me who needs to wobble my head

You do get that as an NHS doctor you can run clinics for NHS patients then separate clinics in your own free time for private clients... I would wager the vast majority do this...
 
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Len Rum said:
You must be hurting mate.
Jezzaaaaaa!!
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Nope. I'm not a supporter of any of the political parties. I find it strange that people are set on a particular party. I also think that for 99% of the population the difference in money and /or quality of life would be so minimal it isn't worth getting worked up about like many do.
I vote for the party who i think would do the best job running the country.
This time is didn't agree with lots that the major parties were saying so i voted for the raving monster loony party - pretty much a protest vote
 
Chippy_boy said:
The enormous fly in the ointment is of course Brexit.

I find it impossible to imagine that this is all going to go "swimmingly". In part because the EU cannot be seen to offer a solution that might be appealing to other members states wrestling with their own thoughts about possibly leaving. And in part because what people in the UK want is so diverse. A solution that pleases one group will piss another group right off. There's no "win" that will be seen by everyone as a being win.

And of course there's the economic impact of all of this. If the Brexit talks go very badly, and the economy tanks, Labour could put up a stuffed Michael Foot manikin and still win. So on balance I think the Tories should hang on as long as they possibly can.

Of course if I am wrong, and Brexit is a breeze and we all go skipping off happily with nice above-inflation pay rises and other goodies, the opposite is true. Can't see it, can you?
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Even if the Brexit negotiations ultimately go well, the EU's initial position will scare many voters. A commanding PM might be able to reassure them that it will all turn out well in the end but May couldn't, and I don't think a new untrusted PM would be able to. Things will get worse for the tories before they improve.
 
City Raider said:
The election proved there is still an appetite for policies with social value. Something many thought Blair killed.
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The minimum wage? Surestart? The huge increase in funding for health and education between 1999 and 2006? I'm sure I could come hope with about 50 Blair policies with social value if I could be bothered.
 
cibaman said:
The minimum wage? Surestart? The huge increase in funding for health and education between 1999 and 2006? I'm sure I could come hope with about 50 Blair policies with social value if I could be bothered.
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Perhaps I should have said more left of centre but the sentiments the same.

Anyway it looks like the media aren't going to let this DUP thing rest. Hardly surprising, despite all moral issues being raised, it's not even a formal coalition. Constitutionally, is that even allowed?
 
City Raider said:
Perhaps I should have said more left of centre but the sentiments the same.

Anyway it looks like the media aren't going to let this DUP thing rest. Hardly surprising, despite all moral issues being raised, it's not even a formal coalition. Constitutionally, is that even allowed?
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Yes.
 
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