Tbf to fumble only 2 nationally reported instances of postal vote fraud allegations have both been with the accusation it happend in imigrant communities in wycombe, by well known tory gobshite steve baker MP and Peterbproughs Asian community accused by farage and his party.
So the accusation that it is in those communities already exists.
Not that ot matters to answering the original question of whether you will use the service or not
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I have changed the thread title once already as I couldn't give a shite about the US system so reverted it to UK postal votes, why people have to veer off topic I don't know.
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I really don’t think AC was being racist.Tbf to fumble only 2 nationally reported instances of postal vote fraud allegations have both been with the accusation it happend in imigrant communities in wycombe, by well known tory gobshite steve baker MP and Peterbproughs Asian community accused by farage and his party.
So the accusation that it is in those communities already exists.
Not that ot matters to answering the original question of whether you will use the service or not
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I have changed the thread title once already as I couldn't give a shite about the US system so reverted it to UK postal votes, why people have to veer off topic I don't know.
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I do. I like me a bit of fluff Evey so often.Another day, more obsessed behaviour from you towards me.
You must really love me.
Sorry to hear that mate, get well soon.
It is just more manufactured right wing shit. They have always wanted to supress the vote as they have always been against extending voting rights.The myth of mass electoral fraud only has currency if one believes that there exists a sizeable, well organised and highly motivated group willing and able to put it in to practice.
No evidence for these assumptions has ever been produced.
It is just more manufactured right wing shit. They have always wanted to supress the vote as they have always been against extending voting rights.
We are in an age where it is possible to to buy stuff online with your phone, use your phone as a payment card, why has there not been any move at all to make voting by phone possible.
They are not against it on any rational grounds, they are against it because they know if on election day it rains, then Tories will drive to the polling booth in there cars whilst the working class vote can afford a fucking rain coat.
Imaybe - instead of diving in as you put it - your cause would be better served if you sat back, thought through what point you were trying to make and expanded it to include all such likely observations because whilst the topic is Postal Votes and you are keen to allege what has always been a tiny issue of voter fraud in the past the biggest driver for an upsurge in postal votes is bound to be the bleedin' obvious. Indeed whilst the vaccine rollout continues and there will be people who have had the virus and acquired anti-bodies there is still a chance of regional lockdowns and government restrictions on gatherings meaning increased demand for postal votes will remain.
I am currently recovering from Covid 19 and am indoors until 14th Feb but if the news on antibodies acquisition remains favourable I'll have no qualms about attending in person and voting. What about you? I assume with your aversion to mail in votes then regardless of any acquired immunity or absence of a vaccination by that date you'll just be puffing out your chest and striding in there to vote in person?
AC wasn’t being racist, he’s currently dancing around flicking the finger at passing Dippers. Fumble pops up at most inopportune moments, bless him, his world gets shit on with every passing day.I really don’t think AC was being racist.
I don’t think Labour are doing anything untoward and don’t necessarily agree with his point but Fumble put 2+2 and got 5 there.
It’s every day race is brought into topics in the sub forum. It’s counterproductive to get rid of racism.
The sad thing is the people who propagate this nonsense are victims as well.Can't argue with any of this.
The usual suspects in here blanch at my mention of race, but only the disingenuous feign indignation.
Mumblings about voter fraud are deliberately vague because they mask the real objective, which is to suppress the poor vote. How does one do that? Simple really, you take a group, in this country it's Asians, and superimpose some sinister motive.
Asians are easily cast as the "other" I mean who knows what goes on in their community? Right?
So under the flag of voter integrity you can bring in all sorts of shit, confident that, without actually saying it, your target audience will get that what you're really talking about is the darkies.
As for the student vote, the idea that they are coordinated in mass electoral fraud is beyond a joke, bless em, unless things have dramatically changed since my day, most of em struggle to coordinate their socks.
Agreed. It's not happening, but understandable why losing parties always push for PR and now this, the drive for it increases as the years go by andBack to the original question. I would rather vote in person if possible just because I know my vote was counted (ie didn’t get lost in post).
We have a fairly simple system to monitor and I think wholesale fraud would be difficult to perform. You could easily flag concerns as well - probably something along the lines of; if votes for postal voters bucked the trend of in person voters and power changed hands then investigate thoroughly.
What about me as a democrat pushing for the right of everyone to vote, i don't care how they vote, i care if they can vote. 'I would rather have a Tory government with 51% of the total electorate voting for it than a Labour Government with 51% of the 80% eligible to vote.Agreed. It's not happening, but understandable why losing parties always push for PR and now this, the drive for it increases as the years go by and
election victory becomes more difficult.
Cobblers is more fitting.
Absentee, disabled, etc;, no problem, why do you want it rolled out for everyone?
What about me as a democrat pushing for the right of everyone to vote, i don't care how they vote, i care if they can vote. 'I would rather have a Tory government with 51% of the total electorate voting for it than a Labour Government with 51% of the 80% eligible to vote.
Only a person who is not in favour of democracy or who wishes to limit democracy would be against the extension of democracy. I happen to think the more democracy the better, you obviously do not.
Wow. That post couldn’t be more wrong if you tried.No, it's the easiest way to implement fraud, the only valid reasons for it
is absentee votes. If you can't be arsed to get round the corner to a polling
booth, don't bother.
It's interesting, but not surprising, to see Labour pushing for it.
Surely that's the idea?Well if Johnson gets his needing an ID to be eligable to vote motion passed as law, you will see thousands removed from the democratic proccess purposely
If the UK voting experience is at all similar to that of voting experience in the USA - voter fraud is nearly non-existent. Moves to limit early voting/vote-by-mail are motivated by political ends - hoping to restrict the opposition vote - it's nothing at all to do with election integrity.Whys that?
Really?Wow. That post couldn’t be more wrong if you tried.
This is yet another of your pearlers, to go along with your settled opinion that Labour really won the election if you threw in the homeless, those who didn't bother, the under 18's and those you think would have if we'd made it easier. Homeless people have exactly the same right as anyone else, provided they're old enough or not banged up in chokey. Plus, I have to smileUnfortunately there is a large bloc of people entitled to vote who aren't registered, and most of them are not likely to vote Tory. They are the marginalised, the homeless, the people living in short term lets, whereas the settled homeowner class are more likely to vote Tory. Right to buy and boosting home ownership wasn't just Tories believing in home ownership, it was electorally useful. (So was the poll tax.)
Another cracker, so it's not about a fair balance of people, it's got to be changed because 'The Poor' need to be traced, as they all live on the streets, and they all vote labour.And boundary revision favours the Tories too because it's based on equal numbers of electors in each constituency, and it's easier to count people who return forms from their own settled home than the poor who are more socially mobile and need to be traced -