Postal votes in the UK (During covid and beyond)

Tbf to fumble only 2 nationally reported instances of postal vote fraud allegations have both been with the accusation it happend in imigrant communities in wycombe, by well known tory gobshite steve baker MP and Peterbproughs Asian community accused by farage and his party.

So the accusation that it is in those communities already exists.


Not that ot matters to answering the original question of whether you will use the service or not

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I have changed the thread title once already as I couldn't give a shite about the US system so reverted it to UK postal votes, why people have to veer off topic I don't know.

Any and all of you

The myth of mass electoral fraud only has currency if one believes that there exists a sizeable, well organised and highly motivated group willing and able to put it in to practice.

No evidence for these assumptions has ever been produced.
 
Tbf to fumble only 2 nationally reported instances of postal vote fraud allegations have both been with the accusation it happend in imigrant communities in wycombe, by well known tory gobshite steve baker MP and Peterbproughs Asian community accused by farage and his party.

So the accusation that it is in those communities already exists.


Not that ot matters to answering the original question of whether you will use the service or not

General comment not reply to you Ban below


I have changed the thread title once already as I couldn't give a shite about the US system so reverted it to UK postal votes, why people have to veer off topic I don't know.

Any and all of you
I really don’t think AC was being racist.

I don’t think Labour are doing anything untoward and don’t necessarily agree with his point but Fumble put 2+2 and got 5 there.

It’s every day race is brought into topics in the sub forum. It’s counterproductive to get rid of racism.
 
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Sorry to hear that mate, get well soon.

do you know I don't want to make light of things but it has been on the whole OK. Age and health had me fearful of getting it so have been very risk averse for a year but wife and daughter work in a small SPAR shop and people come in not wearing masks and some staff pull their down to speak so I suppose it was inevitable. Anyways it gets in among the staff and one by one they went down with it. The manager has been on a ventilator and he's my age/health profile.

23yo daughter gets it and she has been the worst hit - in bed coughing and wheezing but just really washed out by it. She's coming out the other side now. Then wife feels ill, gets a test and we are off again. Last Weds I felt rough so went for a test Thursday morning and go the positive Friday. Me and the wife have had had back pain, head aches, sneezing and an occasional cough - thats been it and both of us are starting to feel better, I will however observe the rules and stay in until the 14th.

I know this makes people very ill. I believe it kills some. I am no Covid denier however my wish is for anyone who gets it you get what Me and the Mrs have had because we have both had worse colds. I really feel we have both proper dodged a bullet here as things could have been so much worse.
 
The myth of mass electoral fraud only has currency if one believes that there exists a sizeable, well organised and highly motivated group willing and able to put it in to practice.

No evidence for these assumptions has ever been produced.
It is just more manufactured right wing shit. They have always wanted to supress the vote as they have always been against extending voting rights.

We are in an age where it is possible to to buy stuff online with your phone, use your phone as a payment card, why has there not been any move at all to make voting by phone possible.

They are not against it on any rational grounds, they are against it because they know if on election day it rains, then Tories will drive to the polling booth in there cars whilst the working class vote can afford a fucking rain coat.
 
It is just more manufactured right wing shit. They have always wanted to supress the vote as they have always been against extending voting rights.

We are in an age where it is possible to to buy stuff online with your phone, use your phone as a payment card, why has there not been any move at all to make voting by phone possible.

They are not against it on any rational grounds, they are against it because they know if on election day it rains, then Tories will drive to the polling booth in there cars whilst the working class vote can afford a fucking rain coat.

Can't argue with any of this.

The usual suspects in here blanch at my mention of race, but only the disingenuous feign indignation.

Mumblings about voter fraud are deliberately vague because they mask the real objective, which is to suppress the poor vote. How does one do that? Simple really, you take a group, in this country it's Asians, and superimpose some sinister motive.

Asians are easily cast as the "other" I mean who knows what goes on in their community? Right?

So under the flag of voter integrity you can bring in all sorts of shit, confident that, without actually saying it, your target audience will get that what you're really talking about is the darkies.

As for the student vote, the idea that they are coordinated in mass electoral fraud is beyond a joke, bless em, unless things have dramatically changed since my day, most of em struggle to coordinate their socks.
 
maybe - instead of diving in as you put it - your cause would be better served if you sat back, thought through what point you were trying to make and expanded it to include all such likely observations because whilst the topic is Postal Votes and you are keen to allege what has always been a tiny issue of voter fraud in the past the biggest driver for an upsurge in postal votes is bound to be the bleedin' obvious. Indeed whilst the vaccine rollout continues and there will be people who have had the virus and acquired anti-bodies there is still a chance of regional lockdowns and government restrictions on gatherings meaning increased demand for postal votes will remain.

I am currently recovering from Covid 19 and am indoors until 14th Feb but if the news on antibodies acquisition remains favourable I'll have no qualms about attending in person and voting. What about you? I assume with your aversion to mail in votes then regardless of any acquired immunity or absence of a vaccination by that date you'll just be puffing out your chest and striding in there to vote in person?
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I really don’t think AC was being racist.

I don’t think Labour are doing anything untoward and don’t necessarily agree with his point but Fumble put 2+2 and got 5 there.

It’s every day race is brought into topics in the sub forum. It’s counterproductive to get rid of racism.
AC wasn’t being racist, he’s currently dancing around flicking the finger at passing Dippers. Fumble pops up at most inopportune moments, bless him, his world gets shit on with every passing day.
 
Can't argue with any of this.

The usual suspects in here blanch at my mention of race, but only the disingenuous feign indignation.

Mumblings about voter fraud are deliberately vague because they mask the real objective, which is to suppress the poor vote. How does one do that? Simple really, you take a group, in this country it's Asians, and superimpose some sinister motive.

Asians are easily cast as the "other" I mean who knows what goes on in their community? Right?

So under the flag of voter integrity you can bring in all sorts of shit, confident that, without actually saying it, your target audience will get that what you're really talking about is the darkies.

As for the student vote, the idea that they are coordinated in mass electoral fraud is beyond a joke, bless em, unless things have dramatically changed since my day, most of em struggle to coordinate their socks.
The sad thing is the people who propagate this nonsense are victims as well.

They are being groomed and are blind to it.
 
Back to the original question. I would rather vote in person if possible just because I know my vote was counted (ie didn’t get lost in post).

We have a fairly simple system to monitor and I think wholesale fraud would be difficult to perform. You could easily flag concerns as well - probably something along the lines of; if votes for postal voters bucked the trend of in person voters and power changed hands then investigate thoroughly.
 
Back to the original question. I would rather vote in person if possible just because I know my vote was counted (ie didn’t get lost in post).

We have a fairly simple system to monitor and I think wholesale fraud would be difficult to perform. You could easily flag concerns as well - probably something along the lines of; if votes for postal voters bucked the trend of in person voters and power changed hands then investigate thoroughly.
Agreed. It's not happening, but understandable why losing parties always push for PR and now this, the drive for it increases as the years go by and
election victory becomes more difficult.
 

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