Postal votes in the UK (During covid and beyond)

[Rascal]

Agreed. It's not happening, but understandable why losing parties always push for PR and now this, the drive for it increases as the years go by and
election victory becomes more difficult.

What about me as a democrat pushing for the right of everyone to vote, i don't care how they vote, i care if they can vote. 'I would rather have a Tory government with 51% of the total electorate voting for it than a Labour Government with 51% of the 80% eligible to vote.

Only a person who is not in favour of democracy or who wishes to limit democracy would be against the extension of democracy. I happen to think the more democracy the better, you obviously do not.

 

[bluethrunthru]

of course postal votes are exploited by the left to promote fraudulent votes.......

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Cobblers is more fitting.
Absentee, disabled, etc;, no problem, why do you want it rolled out for everyone?

Why isn't it a national holiday ?

 

[Vic]

What about me as a democrat pushing for the right of everyone to vote, i don't care how they vote, i care if they can vote. 'I would rather have a Tory government with 51% of the total electorate voting for it than a Labour Government with 51% of the 80% eligible to vote.

Only a person who is not in favour of democracy or who wishes to limit democracy would be against the extension of democracy. I happen to think the more democracy the better, you obviously do not.

Unfortunately there is a large bloc of people entitled to vote who aren't registered, and most of them are not likely to vote Tory. They are the marginalised, the homeless, the people living in short term lets, whereas the settled homeowner class are more likely to vote Tory. Right to buy and boosting home ownership wasn't just Tories believing in home ownership, it was electorally useful. (So was the poll tax.)

And boundary revision favours the Tories too because it's based on equal numbers of electors in each constituency, and it's easier to count people who return forms from their own settled home than the poor who are more socially mobile and need to be traced - and sending census takers to properties from which no form has been returned is going to be even more fraught in a pandemic. (And not just for election purposes - central funding is based on population.)

It's not that long since the Tory Westminster Council gerrymandering crime, but they got so much money from central funds they could have charged zero poll tax.

 

[urban genie]

Well if Johnson gets his needing an ID to be eligable to vote motion passed as law, you will see thousands removed from the democratic proccess purposely

 

[SWP's back]

No, it's the easiest way to implement fraud, the only valid reasons for it
is absentee votes. If you can't be arsed to get round the corner to a polling
booth, don't bother.
It's interesting, but not surprising, to see Labour pushing for it.

Wow. That post couldn’t be more wrong if you tried.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Well if Johnson gets his needing an ID to be eligable to vote motion passed as law, you will see thousands removed from the democratic proccess purposely

Surely that's the idea?

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

Whys that?

If the UK voting experience is at all similar to that of voting experience in the USA - voter fraud is nearly non-existent. Moves to limit early voting/vote-by-mail are motivated by political ends - hoping to restrict the opposition vote - it's nothing at all to do with election integrity.

I'm guessing that the above is likely true in the UK, as it's certainly true in the USA - caveat - I've not studied UK voting at all so there's a chance that I'm completely wrong about the prevalence voter fraud in the UK.

I'm 100% certain, however, that voter fraud in the USA is virtually non-existent and that rules to restrict voting in the USA are simply efforts by Republicans to cut off votes from putative Democratic voters.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Wow. That post couldn’t be more wrong if you tried.

Really?
There are calls on here, all from people with exactly the same political persuasion, for change, and at first glance, 'Making it easier' by postal voting
is an argument. Where it falls down is actually going to a post box takes effort, there are not as many now, you could be walking just as far to a ballot
booth. Plus, if it's all about the ease of voting, why make folk do even this?
What's wrong with online voting? What's wrong with sending someone else?
What's wrong with telling someone, anyone, to do it all for you?
After all, apparently, we need to make democracy available to all, don't we?

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Unfortunately there is a large bloc of people entitled to vote who aren't registered, and most of them are not likely to vote Tory. They are the marginalised, the homeless, the people living in short term lets, whereas the settled homeowner class are more likely to vote Tory. Right to buy and boosting home ownership wasn't just Tories believing in home ownership, it was electorally useful. (So was the poll tax.)

This is yet another of your pearlers, to go along with your settled opinion that Labour really won the election if you threw in the homeless, those who didn't bother, the under 18's and those you think would have if we'd made it easier. Homeless people have exactly the same right as anyone else, provided they're old enough or not banged up in chokey. Plus, I have to smile
at the fact everyone on the streets is a Labour lover, just everyone, thousands of ex forces, millionaires now on their arses, each and every one
would be desperate to scrawl an X next to a labour candidate.

And boundary revision favours the Tories too because it's based on equal numbers of electors in each constituency, and it's easier to count people who return forms from their own settled home than the poor who are more socially mobile and need to be traced -

Another cracker, so it's not about a fair balance of people, it's got to be changed because 'The Poor' need to be traced, as they all live on the streets, and they all vote labour.
Just get yourself a decent leader, and present policies that chime with the populace, ditch what makes you unelectable, capture the floating voter,
like Blair did, and it can be done, the Tories you need are there, but all you
do is scorn and disparage them, they listen, and you get yet another swerve.