Premier League clubs vote against 5 subs per match in 20/21

[FantasyIreland]

As already stated,the argument falls flat on its arse when you don't even use the current amount permitted.

Complain that fixture congestion is flogging your players to death,and then flog your players to death by not substituting/resting them......makes no sense.

 

[JRockBlues]

The argument of not using all the curently permitted subs actually falls down a little if you look into possible reasons why. Most muscle injuries probably happen after 70 minutes into a game so you have to save at least 2 just in case. If you increase the available options to 5 subs then a manager can make a change or 2 earlier to protect tiring players and still keep a couple back in case of late injuries. It's also possibly detrimental to the rest of the team bringing on a fresh player late into a game who has more energy than his teammates as it may make tired players push themselves a bit harder to show themselves in a good light and then overstretch causing injury.

 

[edinburgh123]

Wolves - 1
Leicester - 2
LEEDS - 3
Arsenal - 2
WEST HAM - 3
Sheff U - 2
Liverpool - 1

7 games played and 3 subs used twice
Great argument

 

[OntarioBlue]

I’m sure it’s already been said so apologies in advance for the repetition.

I really don’t understand why Pep has such a bee in his bonnet about 5 subs when there is zero chance he would ever make use of them. Yesterday the game was crying out for changes. Pep made one. Debruyne looks out on his feet but can’t get a rest.

 

[Vienna_70]

Because 5 subs enables you to fill the 25 with even more expensive players and easier to keep them happy with game time. Oh and youth players don’t count, so you can fill your youth teams with expensive talent.

So you’re happy to see Leicester players pick up injuries, just because you think it’s unfair that we have a bigger squad than you do?

OK.

 

[ancoats]

the 5 subs changes the whole game and setup plans ? the bigger teams know they can give 110% for half of the game then change 5 players and then go again when weaker teams don't have the quality to face up

look pep and klopp know both clubs have quality squads that will not play much and sit on the bench all season and only get a run out in the cups ? but having 5 subs is like having your cake and eating it

i said last season that the 5 subs should be only available after you used your 3 subs and when a injury happens you can change and use the other players ? and here is the rub if the manager will have to use the injury sub knowing the player injured has to miss the next 2 games stopping it being a tactical sub

 

[ninjamonkey]

Don’t see how Pep not using 3 subs is an argument against 5. You often need to hold 1-2 subs in your pocket to cover injuries and for keeping the opposition manager guessing, with 5 subs he can make more changes earlier and still have a safety net sub. The injury lists across the league shows just what an utterly moronic and backwards decision it was to reject this, even more so when the rest of Europe choose to implement it.

Heard the villa manager say he’s against it purely because it’s more advantageous to his team and then spout the usual bullshit about teams in Europe having bigger squads. No they don’t, every team is restricted by the same 25 man squad rules. they may have a better squad but not a bigger squad. I bet he would be the first to complain if villa had to play 2 games within a couple of days of Christmas for our rearranges game and grealish picked up a muscle injury keeping him out for weeks if not months. Wanker.

Totally understandable teams would vote in their best interests but some times you have to look at the bigger picture. the rule is beneficial for football as a whole the injuries are a complete farce.

 

[waspish]

the 5 subs changes the whole game and setup plans ? the bigger teams know they can give 110% for half of the game then change 5 players and then go again when weaker teams don't have the quality to face up

look pep and klopp know both clubs have quality squads that will not play much and sit on the bench all season and only get a run out in the cups ? but having 5 subs is like having your cake and eating it

i said last season that the 5 subs should be only available after you used your 3 subs and when a injury happens you can change and use the other players ? and here is the rub if the manager will have to use the injury sub knowing the player injured has to miss the next 2 games stopping it being a tactical sub

All teams will benefit from five subs because the teams not competing for trophies or top 6 will be able to put 5 fresh subs who can running around closing down or defend with with fresh mind

 

[ancoats]

All teams will benefit from five subs because the teams not competing for trophies or top 6 will be able to put 5 fresh subs who can running around closing down or defend with with fresh mind

but the quality of them 5 sub will be weaker than the top teams. also the better team will try and use the 5 subs to kill games off early knowing they have quality on the bench

its just a little helping hand again to the better teams, but the better teams should not really need 5 subs to beat the so called weaker clubs should they

 

[ninjamonkey]

but the quality of them 5 sub will be weaker than the top teams. also the better team will try and use the 5 subs to kill games off early knowing they have quality on the bench

its just a little helping hand again to the better teams, but the better teams should not really need 5 subs to beat the so called weaker clubs should they

What about when a smaller team is beating a bigger side and can use the extra subs to add energy and defensive reinforcements into the side? A lot of our tactics involve shifting the ball around and tiring out the opposition, our players don’t suffer fatigue as much as were on the ball more.

If our plan is to tire teams out and take advantage later but they can make 5 subs to maintain the energy levels in the side then that’s a considerable advantage to the smaller side. All of the sides abide by the exact same rules and squad restrictions there’s no inherent advantage to any side. there’s advantages and disadvantages for all depending on the situation but most of all there’s a major benefit to all of the players fitness levels and that’s the priority here.