Premier League clubs vote against 5 subs per match in 20/21

[ancoats]

What about when a smaller team is beating a bigger side and can use the extra subs to add energy and defensive reinforcements into the side? A lot of our tactics involve shifting the ball around and tiring out the opposition, our players don’t suffer fatigue as much as were on the ball more.

If our plan is to tire teams out and take advantage later but they can make 5 subs to maintain the energy levels in the side then that’s a considerable advantage to the smaller side. All of the sides abide by the exact same rules and squad restrictions there’s no inherent advantage to any side. there’s advantages and disadvantages for all depending on the situation but most of all there’s a major benefit to all of the players fitness levels and that’s the priority here.

all your points are valid and yes so called smaller clubs can beat the big boys. but how many times does it really happen. yes a smaller club can build a great a team spirit with youth and a mix of talent. but you can bet the bigger clubs will be trying to sign them come the next transfer window opens

we have to trust the better manager like pep and their clubs asking for this. but are they really thinking about the players fitness other than getting results ? pressure on getting a result over risking a players fitness or getting a long term injury. i trust pep in protecting his players but its a fine line and managers normally get the sack if result don't go his way. but how many managers getting the sack will come out and say well if i had a fully fit squad i would be still in a job

 

[blueparrot]

As already stated,the argument falls flat on its arse when you don't even use the current amount permitted.

Complain that fixture congestion is flogging your players to death,and then flog your players to death by not substituting/resting them......makes no sense.

It doesn’t because the argument is the argument. Whether you think we would make the most or best use of it has no relevance to the arguments merits, especially as the decision isn’t just about us.

 

[FantasyIreland]

It doesn’t because the argument is the argument. Whether you think we would make the most or best use of it has no relevance to the arguments merits, especially as the decision isn’t just about us.

I agree about the topic as a whole,but i was talking from Peps perspective.

 

[Sir peace frog]

And?

You didn’t even use the full compliment of subs in five of your eight league games. So don’t cry about it being to protect players.

It’s nothing more than a long term strategy to enable you to stockpile talent and dump it on the pitch to try and blow away far inferior you keep struggling against.

It’s a level playing field, same for every team so get on with it.

got nothing to do with stockpiling talent, as for long term strategy ? it was for this season only, get back in your fox hole

 

[kaz7]

Protecting players.... yet you’ve only made the full compliment of subs three times. You and Liverpool only made three of the allowed six subs yesterday. Yep.... you look so concerned about protecting players.

How many teams have spent a billion quid on their team and youth team? And you’re crying about it not being a level playing field.

Ooh get you , the money card

 

[PrezIke]

For all who keep whinging on about Pep AND Klopp for not using all 5 subs.

Can we show some effort to think just a bit more?

It doesn't mean EVERY GAME they will use them, especially in a match like City-Liverpool with so much at stake (i.e. a 6 pointer).

But in other matches the chances of the 5 being used is higher and if/when used will help keep more players rested GOING INTO the next match/run of games.

It's really that simple.

 

[PrezIke]

On Pep's question why is it that all other major European leagues are allowing for it?

I am curious what journalists in other countries think about it where it is allowed? Particularly in Germany where they are aguably FAR more socialist when it comes to their football.

Seems most of the English media/fans are dead set against it because they think it favours the bigger sides. "Fairness" may be defined differently and perhaps, like here in the States, there's more of a "pick up your bootstraps and stop crying" attitude about work, and towards professional athletes where we have little empathy for them given the wages they earn.

Btw, I'm not convinced it's true that 5 subs helps the richer clubs, for a few reasons.

First, because one of the problems with having a "bigger squad" is consistency and familiarity due to more rotation.

Lower quality sides who suffer less injuries rely on consistency of players to win games. City and others with larger squads, benefit from depth, but managing that is a different skill given the number of players who may have larger egos and consider themselves starters, and also issues of consistency in their lineups.

Lower sides also, by default not being in Europe or even likely focusing on Cups vs. staying in the PL, do not NEED as large of a squad as they have less games.

So the 3 sub rule given what's going on with so many games, less rest, etc. is sort of like the Electoral College of football.

Where it could be seen as disproportionately helping lower sides do better by increasing injuries across the league and therefore diminishing the quality of football overall.

That's what I see happening right now.

 

[hilts]

And?

You didn’t even use the full compliment of subs in five of your eight league games. So don’t cry about it being to protect players.

It’s nothing more than a long term strategy to enable you to stockpile talent and dump it on the pitch to try and blow away far inferior you keep struggling against.

It’s a level playing field, same for every team so get on with it.

I admire you for taking this on fella you won't get much unbiased debate on here fella. If pep had said he is fine with 3 but klopp and noddy had said they wanted 5 this thread would look very different.

You are right it would help the richer clubs and pep calling for it the way he runs sterling Kdb and walker into the ground is laughable really.

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

Protecting players.... yet you’ve only made the full compliment of subs three times. You and Liverpool only made three of the allowed six subs yesterday. Yep.... you look so concerned about protecting players.

How many teams have spent a billion quid on their team and youth team? And you’re crying about it not being a level playing field.

I'm not crying about anything you idiot. 5 subs during a season like this makes total sense, all the other top leagues have this rule, just not the PL, whose shithouse members want to fuck up the teams in Europe for their own benefit, and those clubs in Europe also get the most International call ups. Level playing field, you were the one who brought that up, not me dickhead.

 

[mac]

got nothing to do with stockpiling talent, as for long term strategy ? it was for this season only, get back in your fox hole

Dont Leicester buy buyers , pay big wages compared to other clubs in the pyramid. Totally wank view from the fox fan if he thinks his club is holier than others below.