President Joe Biden

[FogBlueInSanFran]

The fact of the matter is this. In the 2018 midterm elections basically two type of Democrats ran for Congress: mainstream Democrats, and progressives who post on Twitter a lot. The latter category talked for ages and ages about how they have the better ideas than the former group, how it doesn't matter if said ideas don't poll well because of reasons we can't understand, and how the party was dooming itself to repeat 2016 by running all these mainstream, neoliberals shills. You get the point.

And what happened? Democrats did in fact win the house in 2018, flipping 40 seats in a huge wave election. And guess who actually won those races? Candidates backed by the three big progressive PACs Our Revolution, Justice Democrats, and Brand New Congress went 0–44 combined. The failed technocratic bourgeoise shills who were doing it wrong somehow accounted for 100 percent of the party’s House gains. So strange! It turns out you still basically need to play to the middle to actually win elections. The idea that Bernie would somehow be running better than Biden, who beat him in a rout during the primary, is complete nonsense.

Now now, it’s clearly all some grand conspiracy, not a humiliating failure in the marketplace of ideas.

Sarcasm aside, I truly believe there is and should be and will be support for Progressive politicians in certain jurisdictions, and perhaps even on a national level. But not this year. Because the priority is, should be and will be unification in the face of autocracy, demagoguery and hypocrisy as represented by Trump and his cult of true believers and his feckless, cowardly, unAmerican enablers in the GOP.

Progressives can either get on the train, or stand on the platform and wait for the hyperloop to be invented. Thankfully most heeded the all-aboard call.

 

[Bigga]

Yeah, don't forget, ain't no Progressive cast a vote yet.

The vote is supposed to be a lent one, so to take it as a given as Biden spits in their faces, is beyond stupidity.

 

[DrBlueBob]

I see someone's forgetting Sanders smashing all other Neolibs before they dropped out to gave their support to Biden, also backed by the MSM!

As I keep pointing out, these posters continually keep avoiding talking about the extra help Biden needed as a fact, but will lovingly talk about how he, Sanders, 'lost'.

Even Biden believes he 'beat the socialist' by himself!

Little quiet lamb Biden all silent on a debate stage only bouyed by the fact he was Obama's sidekick which the MSM loved!

GTFOH!

GTFOOH surely? Unless O means outa in which case I disapprove. :-)

 

[DrBlueBob]

He's a spoiled rich kid.

He's of the 'Rich People Problems' on the other thread (which he'll not contribute to as it's about him as well).

Whilst I am rather impassioned about what is happening in the (not very) USA I hope to not be drawn into mudslinging. That's everyone told.

 

[MaineDAWG2008]

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[DrBlueBob]

Look Doc, you unlike certain dumb New yorkers on here, can understand that if a Progressive voter has to stick their fingers down their throats as they vote for Biden, you don't expect Biden to rub their faces in that sick!!

It's stupid and counterproductive to ANY kind of far fetched harmony on the horizon.

I'm surprised that nobody can see that!

I'm not surprised anymore, such is the so-called 'any Blue will do' Democrat mantra, which was clearly an utter lie.

Biden had the chance to prove he's inclusive, has shown he is not and I will bet you he will walk back that statement very soon! It will be a bit late by then and HE would have caused more division than needed.

Whilst I agree with all of this I still keep coming back to my "But it's Trump" response. I genuinely have been educated by reading (latterly) this thread and all of the Trump thread, not just by yourself but others on both sides of what seems to be a great divide, for which I am grateful and I am gaining an understanding and apprecation of your beliefs and concerns...But it's Trump.
I have less "skin in the game" than most but there are a couple of points that my (late to the game, ill educated) thoughts are:

1 Trump is awful

2 Biden is possibly seeking to enlist the middle ground voter

3 The middle ground voter is far more prevalent than the extremists but they don't show up on tv so they don't attract the same level of attention

4 But it's Trump

5 I should probably go o bed but this fascinating

 

[DrBlueBob]

Now now, it’s clearly all some grand conspiracy, not a humiliating failure in the marketplace of ideas.

Sarcasm aside, I truly believe there is and should be and will be support for Progressive politicians in certain jurisdictions, and perhaps even on a national level. But not this year. Because the priority is, should be and will be unification in the face of autocracy, demagoguery and hypocrisy as represented by Trump and his cult of true believers and his feckless, cowardly, unAmerican enablers in the GOP.

Progressives can either get on the train, or stand on the platform and wait for the hyperloop to be invented. Thankfully most heeded the all-aboard call.

It's a funny old game. I agree with you and I also agree with @Bigga
For someone who shuns conflict wherever possible I am putting myself right in the cross hairs.

Change is required I think everyone would agree with that. Radicals will be the loudest. Change can only happen incrementally, that, I feel, is where the major difference in opinion lies. @Bigga I think does not agree with me here.

 

[Bigga]

GTFOOH surely? Unless O means outa in which case I disapprove. :-)

It is that, but I actually thought it looked stupid!!

 

[DrBlueBob]

It is that, but I actually thought it looked stupid!!

Happy to be your pet pedant my friend.

 

[Bigga]

Whilst I agree with all of this I still keep coming back to my "But it's Trump" response. I genuinely have been educated by reading (latterly) this thread and all of the Trump thread, not just by yourself but others on both sides of what seems to be a great divide, for which I am grateful and I am gaining an understanding and apprecation of your beliefs and concerns...But it's Trump.
I have less "skin in the game" than most but there are a couple of points that my (late to the game, ill educated) thoughts are:

1 Trump is awful

2 Biden is possibly seeking to enlist the middle ground voter

3 The middle ground voter is far more prevalent than the extremists but they don't show up on tv so they don't attract the same level of attention

4 But it's Trump

5 I should probably go o bed but this fascinating

Biden is LUCKY that such a doofus is in charge over there, otherwise he'd not see nought but dust of his opponent.

You should check out Nina Turner (a real Progressive) and her view on 'half a bowl of shit'!!

It's so true!