President Joe Biden

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

I wouldn't vote for Trump and if you had read my posts and in fact you have commented as such in the past you wouldn't have to ask that question.

What I have said is that a person who votes for someone you think is fascist does not a fascist make or is pro fascism.

My turn for once for you , JFK was a sociopathic , drug addicted , playboy who loved to cheat on his wife.

I would have voted for him despite this and being none of the above but you wouldn't unless you are either a sociopath , drug loving playboy who likes to commit adultery as you phrase it or having these qualities is of no consequence to you when it comes to what you look for in a president.

Would you vote for JFK?

You are conflating personal behavior which is morally objectional, with illegal behavior relying on the power of the presidency in order to remain in power.

Trump is guilty - on record of both behaviors.

JFK dodged most of the guilt from the former and did not- to my knowledge - engage in the later.

Nixon - to my knowledge - was free of guilt from the former - but in an earlier age - was forced out of office for the later.

Would I vote for JKF? Reluctantly I would not. Reluctant because of his unique ability to do good - not - because his public veneer is a sham. In fact, I'd vote to impeach him.
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Curiously, many of the people I once respected - I no longer do. Charlie Rose, Andrew Cuomo, O. J. Simpson! (who saw that coming?!?), Michael Jackson, Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, and so on. We can't tolerate such behavior - and especially so in our leaders.

 

[mancity1]

You are conflating personal behavior which is morally objectional, with illegal behavior relying on the power of the presidency in order to remain in power.

Trump is guilty - on record of both behaviors.

JFK dodged most of the guilt from the former and did not engage in the later.

Nixon - to my knowledge - was free of guilt from the former - but in an earlier age - was forced out of office for the later.

Would I vote for JKF? Reluctantly I would not. Reluctant because of his unique ability to do good - not - because his public veneer is a sham.
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Curiously, many of the people I once respected - I no longer do. Charlie Rose, Andrew Cuomo, and so on. We can't tolerate such behavior - and especially so in our leaders.

I respect your moral principles they are to be admired and I am sure you live up to them in your own life.

I think any president who breaks the law must be accountable to the law otherwise the law serves little purpose.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Their is nothing unique about an unhinged , unpredictable , narcissistic sociopath with no moral compass where power and status as opposed to strength in office mean one and the same.

I am confident you have come across some personally in your life that probably haven't been voted into The White House and if you are smart you will give them a wide birth.

Charles Manson, John Wayne Gacy and Timothy McVeigh didn’t run for President.

Name one American President who fits your description.

You won’t. You can’t.

UNIQUELY bad.

But not bad enough that you have voted against him. Makes me sad.

 

[mancity1]

Charles Manson, John Wayne Gacy and Timothy McVeigh didn’t run for President.

Name one American President who fits your description.

You won’t. You can’t.

UNIQUELY bad.

But not bad enough that you have voted against him. Makes me sad.

Not all sociopaths are serial killers and very few if any I would think would make it to president .

I was describing the orange man but if you disagree then fair enough how would you describe the former TV host?

I vote for someone I don't vote against anyone and if I cannot vote for someone I vote donkey.

I am not sad for you that you had to vote against someone in 2020 however assuming you did.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

Charles Manson, John Wayne Gacy and Timothy McVeigh didn’t run for President.

Name one American President who fits your description.

You won’t. You can’t.

UNIQUELY bad.

But not bad enough that you have voted against him. Makes me sad.

In living memory - Trump is by far the worst ever President we've had. Because of modern technology - Trump's wrongdoings have at times been digitally documented.

Factually speaking though - there have been some very, very unsavory individuals elected to the Presidency in the distant past some of whom would give Trump a run for his money as worst ever.

I agree 100% with you though - why on earth anyone would vote for Trump beggars the imagination.

I hope that better, open exposure to factual news will eventually combat this.

Anyhow - here's how historians currently rank our previous presidents:

Presidents ranked from worst to best

Donald Trump, Barack Obama, George W. Bush – how do the presidents of our era compare with those who came before?

www.cbsnews.com

 

[mancity1]

In living memory - Trump is by far the worst ever President we've had. Because of modern technology - Trump's wrongdoings have at times been digitally documented.

Factually speaking though - there have been some very, very unsavory individuals elected to the Presidency in the distant past some of whom would give Trump a run for his money as worst ever.

I agree 100% with you though - why on earth anyone would vote for Trump beggars the imagination.

I hope that better, open exposure to factual news will eventually combat this.

Anyhow - here's how historians currently rank our previous presidents:

Presidents ranked from worst to best

Donald Trump, Barack Obama, George W. Bush – how do the presidents of our era compare with those who came before?

www.cbsnews.com

As you have referenced a comment on a response to my post I give my permission again to correct your misunderstanding I would not vote for Trump not in 2016 nor 2020 or 2024 if he stood and I was allowed a vote.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

As you have referenced a comment on a response to my post I give my permission again to correct your misunderstanding I would not vote for Trump not in 2016 nor 2020 or 2024 if he stood and I was allowed a vote.

Good to know.

But, IMO, not quite enough.

One must actively denounce such as Trump.

While simultaneously expressing your beliefs.

Both Bushes, Regan, Romney, Schwarzenegger and so on - probably so-called "RINOs" are the sort of candidate I'd consider voting for. Truthful; centrist; open to science if not outright believing in science; willing to speak truth even if unpopular.

Most of your posts seem to be about knocking attacks on Trump as being biased, hypocritical, or whatever - if you don't support Trump why post such?

If any of the above Republicans were to run against Biden in the next election - I'd have to carefully consider my vote. I'd most likely end up voting for Biden - but I wouldn't be unhappy if he lost to any of these.

 

[mancity1]

Good to know.

Apology accepted (LOL).

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

In living memory - Trump is by far the worst ever President we've had. Because of modern technology - Trump's wrongdoings have at times been digitally documented.

Factually speaking though - there have been some very, very unsavory individuals elected to the Presidency in the distant past some of whom would give Trump a run for his money as worst ever.

I agree 100% with you though - why on earth anyone would vote for Trump beggars the imagination.

I hope that better, open exposure to factual news will eventually combat this.

Anyhow - here's how historians currently rank our previous presidents:

Presidents ranked from worst to best

Donald Trump, Barack Obama, George W. Bush – how do the presidents of our era compare with those who came before?

www.cbsnews.com

It’s almost worse that someone would say “I’m not voting for either of them” — naive to the danger and hopelessly stubborn is more insidious than brainwashed in a cult.

 

[mancity1]

It’s almost worse that someone would say “I’m not voting for either of them” — naive to the danger and hopelessly stubborn is more insidious than brainwashed in a cult.