Priti Vacant has a plan, a deal with migrants plan.

[BobKowalski]

Quite the burn. From the Albanian official quoted in the detention centre story.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Brexit is failing because it is making the country poorer and a few people very rich. Nothing more complicated than that.

To be fair, this country has always done that, Brexit or no Brexit.

 

[Rascal]

This is historically inaccurate, brexit was always a right-wing libertarian project, for evidence of this you only have to look at the people that went from referendum party to ukip and ukip to Tory. The people that made up the overwhelming majority of vote leave and leave.EU were on the right. Daddy Rees-Mogg's book about the sovereign individual and Britain Unchained by brexiteer bastards in the cabinet.

It was in the Foot Manifesto of 1982.

To say it was hijacked by the right doesn't stand up to scrutiny, not only did they already have the keys to the vehicle, but their names and faces were emblazoned on the side of the bus.

The right created the EU single market , Thatcher herself was the drlver, the further right hijacked it as the Tories were the party of the EU from Heath's days

Why did Corbyn reject Maggie May after talks in the Spring of 2019? They could have come to an agreement to push through a soft-brexit or BRINO.

Because of that fucking idiot Starmer and his 2nd referendum nonsense. Corbyn should have fucked him off and backed brexit.

But then her government would have collapsed immediately afterwards without support from her own party, and she was only willing to compromise a little because she cared more about her party than the country.

This might as well be alternative universe stuff let alone alternative history. Lexit was never going to succeed because it had no support besides a few fringe left wing groups with no MPs, and a few old dinosaurs in the Labour party.

A party rammed full of Blairite MPs was always going to be pro EU. The members however voted against the Blairite establishment and the red wall crumbled as a result.

The stuff about the refugees is wrong too, Germany took in one million immigrants.

I didnt mention numbers,

The EU is not simply about neo-liberalism, the most powerful member (Germany) is ordoliberal and has greater state involvement in the economy, regulation and strong competition laws, not laissez-faire hands-off free market fundamentalism.

The EU is protectionist, it limits state subsidies, imposes budget constraints, facilitates free trade and movement of labour. Each country differs slightly but under the EU the bloc has become pro big business and anti working class.

 

[Saddleworth2]

It would appear it’s more difficult to deport immigrants since Brexit than before. I didn’t see that one written on any of the posters.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

@Rascal

I haven't replied to the post by quoting because there is too much there for now, and much of it is polemical.

But I picked out what I thought was the most important thing to respond to.

I assume you mean the 1983 manifesto, described by Gerald Kaufman as the "longest suicide note in history".

We can debate the merits of the contents of that another time, it's academic.

I'll concede your factual point, but where has this had any influence in the campaign to leave the European Union from the 1990s to 2016?

Maybe there is evidence, and you can produce it.

Although I suspect you can't because it was a political failure like most of the contents of that manifesto. You could remove everything the Lexit campaign did during the referendum campaign and it would make no difference to the result.

It’s an irrelevant footnote in history.

We have to live in the world as it is not pretend we are already in one as we would like it to be, with sleeping socialists just waiting to be woken up from their slumber.

Lexitism was a niche interest, just like FBPE and associated acts' extreme europhilism. I don't think these ideas would ever have had enough broad appeal to achieve their ultimate aims.

 

[nmc]

Patel using events to push her Nazi views…. Re establishing the myth that migrants and terrorists are one and the same…. Horrible nasty woman.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Patel using events to push her Nazi views…. Re establishing the myth that migrants and terrorists are one and the same…. Horrible nasty woman.

Many of us fall for it, why not play the card that gets you voted in.

From overseas parents, why would she be completely against immigration unless she’s doing something for herself?

 

[nmc]

Many of us fall for it, why not play the card that gets you voted in.

From overseas parents, why would she be completely against immigration unless she’s doing something for herself?

She‘s not acting alone…. It’s all orchestrated from Tory Central Office - it’s no accident that Patel pops up on GB News because that’s her audience.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

She‘s not acting alone…. It’s all orchestrated from Tory Central Office - it’s no accident that Patel pops up on GB News because that’s her audience.

Another that acts for themselves rather than those she serves. She is given a missive and follows through to a ‘T’.

When you are put in a position of trust, it’s all about responsibility, and never a reason for power.

 

[LGWIO]

Quite the burn. From the Albanian official quoted in the detention centre story.

I looked at that front page and shook my head but also chuckled at the sheer lunacy of it.
Stories about fear, terrorists, corruption and the idiocy of the PM, (dirty) migrants and how we (the great British public as represented by News International) will be protected by sending those migrants off to Albania.
...and all underneath a banner that appeals to every "good/hard working/christian/family (delete as appropriate) telling us that even our poor pets are at risk.
I wonder which item on that front page caused the average Times reader most distress?