Protesters

[Armchair Supporter]

We have all watched Wall-e yes?

Such a great film.

 

[Ban-jani]

I've read it, and countless other articles. What is far from clear and hugely open to debate is the effect of the various feedback mechanisms which have stabilized earth's temperature between pretty close bands for millions of years. Some of these feedback mechanisms only come into play over centuries, due to the thermal inertia of the deep oceans.

This is partly why even in the article you linked, they predict sea level rises of between 1 ft and 4ft by 2100. Scientific models are nothing more than predictions based on a whole load of assumptions, and they are very often wrong. For example none of the models predicted the cessation of global warming from around 1999 to 2015, and in fact this was so embarrassing that it was largely unreported for fear of fuelling the arguments of climate-change skeptics. For this is now essentially a political movement, more than it is a scientific one. World leaders with no background in science are motivated to preach at every opportunity. Maybe because they passionately believe it, or maybe because they figure voters passionately want to hear it. Who knows.

It’s pretty clear in there that the planet warmth has absolutely sky rocketed at a rate never seen before in the last few decades, right at the same time we’ve put unseen levels of Co2 into the atmosphere.

I’m honestly not sure how anyone could argue against this.

 

[quiet_riot]

For example none of the models predicted the cessation of global warming from around 1999 to 2015, and in fact this was so embarrassing that it was largely unreported for fear of fuelling the arguments of climate-change skeptics.

"scientists have shown that naturally occurring periods of no warming or even slight cooling can easily be a part of a longer-term pattern of global warming"


https://climate.nasa.gov/news/175/the-ups-and-downs-of-global-warming/


The Shell-funded propagande has obviously got to you. You won't be swayed.

 

[Chippy_boy]

It’s pretty clear in there that the planet warmth has absolutely sky rocketed at a rate never seen before in the last few decades, right at the same time we’ve put unseen levels of Co2 into the atmosphere.

I’m honestly not sure how anyone could argue against this.

Well although there's a huge consensus who agree with you, there's also many scientists who know a lot more about it than you or I, who do not. So I am guessing they have their reasons.

Personally, I think it's pretty clear that global warming is occurring and that it seems pretty likely that man is causing it. And in such circumstances, whilst predictions are varied, then of course prudence is wise, which is pretty much matched by the policies of the sensible advanced western economies. But unfortunately the subject is picked up by people who know bugger all about it who feel compelled to camp out on Oxford Street. When in reality the whole subject is incredible complex and in some areas contentious. Genuinely, it says a lot more about the people protesting in London than it says anything about climate science.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

We have all watched Wall-e yes?

Such a great film.

It is so spot on

Earth destroyed
All align to a huge corporation as opposed to a place - buy n large
Fat people too lazy to eat or think traveling on motors all staring at their screens

It’s should be compulsory watching for all primary school kids .

 

[hilts]

It’s pretty clear in there that the planet warmth has absolutely sky rocketed at a rate never seen before in the last few decades, right at the same time we’ve put unseen levels of Co2 into the atmosphere.

I’m honestly not sure how anyone could argue against this.

It’s simply because people don’t want the hassle or any danger to their share portfolio. It’s not that they don’t really believe it just that their own comfortable little lives are more important. They can’t bring themselves to admit it though.

Basically self interested dishonest cunts.

 

[quiet_riot]

It’s pretty clear in there that the planet warmth has absolutely sky rocketed at a rate never seen before in the last few decades, right at the same time we’ve put unseen levels of Co2 into the atmosphere.

I’m honestly not sure how anyone could argue against this.

They argue against it due to the long, sustained campaign of anti climate change propaganda peddled by people who profit massively from fossil fuels. Exxon acknowledged climate change and the fact that their products were a contributor...then planned, funded and actioned a campaign to make people believe it was all possiblies and maybes. Obviously it has worked to some degree, as people still refute it.

More here: https://www.ucsusa.org/global-warmi...fossil-fuel-industry-climate-change-deception

 

[Chippy_boy]

"scientists have shown that naturally occurring periods of no warming or even slight cooling can easily be a part of a longer-term pattern of global warming"

Well no shit Sherlock.

The point is the models didn't predict it. They were wrong. But the later models, of course they are all spot on aren't they, and it's impossible they may be wrong. Incidentally, we may have had the hottest Easter break since 1949. Or to put it another way, "it was hotter than this in 1949 when C02 levels were much lower than they are now". Pretty much illustrating the point above.

The Shell-funded propagande has obviously got to you. You won't be swayed.

But more broadly about the propaganda having got to me, take a look in the mirror, mate. For most of the media output on climate change is not science, it is indeed propaganda from politicians and journalists who know very very little on the subject. How open is your mind to the fact that this "catastrophe" may very well end up not being a catastophe at all?

 

[Ban-jani]

Well although there's a huge consensus who agree with you, there's also many scientists who know a lot more about it than you or I, who do not. So I am guessing they have their reasons.

Personally, I think it's pretty clear that global warming is occurring and that it seems pretty likely that man is causing it. And in such circumstances, whilst predictions are varied, then of course prudence is wise, which is pretty much matched by the policies of the sensible advanced western economies. But unfortunately the subject is picked up by people who know bugger all about it who feel compelled to camp out on Oxford Street. When in reality the whole subject is incredible complex and in some areas contentious. Genuinely, it says a lot more about the people protesting in London than it says anything about climate science.

The more we put Co2 into the atmosphere, the worse this will get.

Now we, in the UK, are currently 1/3 renewable energy and 2/3 fossil fuels.

Whilst we have been one of the more progressive states, we are still contributing to this ever accelerating crisis.

Many of those in London protesting aren’t my usual cup of tea. Some do appear to be the scruffy hippy types you’ve alluded to.

However, they are undoubtedly in the right with what they’re doing and I thank them for doing this on my behalf.

Time is running out and we need to act now.

The only thing we can do in the UK is to work towards being 100% green, leaf by example and show other states it can be done and how.

We have no other option here but to face mass extinction.

 

[Chippy_boy]

It’s simply because people don’t want the hassle or any danger to their share portfolio. It’s not that they don’t really believe it just that their own comfortable little lives are more important. They can’t bring themselves to admit it though.

Basically self interested dishonest cunts.

You are an offensive twat aren't you. Who on earth do you think you are to act judge and jury on why some people who don't happen to believe that climate change is the impending end of the world, all have their snouts in the trough? Well I for one, have no snout in any trough.