Protesters

[waspish]

% to which others, the 6 above them or the 188 below them?

If this the legit stats?

If so we know the main culprits and it isnt the uk

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions

 

[Ancient Citizen]

But you can stop using your car and use a bike. You are not allowed to go around killing people!

?
I'm not advocating mass genocide, I don't think you've understood, lol.

 

[Ban-jani]

I’ve repeatedly asked those criticising the protestors what the alternative is to Britain getting itself in order and trying to put pressure on the rest of the world from there.

Not a single one has answered me.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

I’ve repeatedly asked those criticising the protestors what the alternative is to Britain getting itself in order and trying to put pressure on the rest of the world from there.

Not a single one has answered me.

Britain has got itself in order, it's doing far more than most, we don't need thousands disrupting business,
emergency services and livelihoods telling us to do the impossible, ie; reduce carbon to zero in 6 years.
All that would happen if we took heed of the business class flying eco warriors, is this country taking an enormous
economic hit, be left in complete energy poverty, millions out of work, and plunged into darkness.
As for 'Taking a lead,' other countries will follow;-

https://www.independent.co.uk/envir...-supply-green-energy-greenpeace-a7134596.html
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/china-coal-fired-power-station-buildup-2018-9
That's just China, not only using coal power, but actively increasing it, Britain isn't.
Check out all the other large economies, we'd be alone with our unilateral stance, it's madness and completely
unachievable.

 

[Ban-jani]

Britain has got itself in order, it's doing far more than most, we don't need thousands disrupting business,
emergency services and livelihoods telling us to do the impossible, ie; reduce carbon to zero in 6 years.
All that would happen if we took heed of the business class flying eco warriors, is this country taking an enormous
economic hit, be left in complete energy poverty, millions out of work, and plunged into darkness.
As for 'Taking a lead,' other countries will follow;-

https://www.independent.co.uk/envir...-supply-green-energy-greenpeace-a7134596.html
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/china-coal-fired-power-station-buildup-2018-9
That's just China, not only using coal power, but actively increasing it, Britain isn't.
Check out all the other large economies, we'd be alone with our unilateral stance, it's madness and completely
unachievable.

Your article is about one plant that didn’t go ahead and is from 2016. Where have you dug that from?

This from Wikipedia -

China's renewable energy sector is growing faster than its fossil fuels and nuclear powercapacity. ... In 2015, China became the world's largest producer of photovoltaic power, with 43 GW of total installed capacity. From 2005 to 2014, production of solar cells in China has expanded 100-fold.

They are following but not enough and we in Britain are at 1/3 of our energy being renewable. It’s worth the hit to get us up to 100%.

It’s funny that you think “independence” from the EU is worth a vast economic hit but stopping us putting Co2 into the atmosphere that will eventually kill all life on Earth isn’t.

There won’t be businesses or people in poverty in a few decades if we don’t do something, as everyone will be dead.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Your article is about one plant that didn’t go ahead and is from 2016. Where have you dug that from?

This from Wikipedia -



They are following but not enough and we in Britain are at 1/3 of our energy being renewable. It’s worth the hit to get us up to 100%.

It’s funny that you think “independence” from the EU is worth a vast economic hit but stopping us putting Co2 into the atmosphere that will eventually kill all life on Earth isn’t.

There won’t be businesses or people in poverty in a few decades if we don’t do something, as everyone will be dead.

Second article is from 2018.
I may be dead in 6 years, may not be, but I'm willing to bet everything I have, which isn't much, that we all
won't be dead.
In 10 years.
Or 20.

 

[grunge]

It’s funny that you think “independence” from the EU is worth a vast economic hit but stopping us putting Co2 into the atmosphere that will eventually kill all life on Earth isn’t.

There won’t be businesses or people in poverty in a few decades if we don’t do something, as everyone will be dead.

Sorry but hyperbole doesn’t help. No one has ever claimed “all life will be wiped out”, even in the worst case scenarios.

It will destroy civiliations, it may kill billions. Certainly as food chains fail, But no one ever claimed it would wipe out all life.

This however doesn’t include any other man made events due to it. Say for example a nuclear war when those civilisations do start to crumble.

Edit: the only way we’re going to fix this, is fusion power. Or at least thorium reactors. While moving as much power generation to Renewables ( But battery tech isn’t good enough for pure renewables) While investing in co2/methane scrubbers.

 

[Ban-jani]

Sorry but hyperbole doesn’t help. No one has ever claimed “all life will be wiped out”, even in the worst case scenarios.

It will destroy civiliations, it may kill billions. Certainly as food chains fail, But no one ever claimed it would wipe out all life.

This however doesn’t include any other man made events due to it. Say for example a nuclear war when those civilisations do start to crumble.

Edit: the only way we’re going to fix this, is fusion power. Or at least thorium reactors. While moving as much power generation to Renewables ( But battery tech isn’t good enough for pure renewables) While investing in co2/methane scrubbers.

Oh sorry - if it’s only most human civilisations and the majority of nature being wiped out crack on

 

[grunge]

Oh sorry - if it’s only most human civilisations and the majority of nature being wiped out crack on

My point is clear. We are, in my eyes past the point of no return. Cutting cO2 to zero around the globe instantly will not stop climate change. It may slow it down a bit but the simple fact that methane is now literally exploding from the ground in Siberia, caused by melting permafrost s a clear sign we have gone too far. Add the methan leaks from fracking int the mix as well. Methane is 30x more dangerous as a green house gas than c02 so we’re snowballing as we speak.

We need to be investing in clean energy to slow things down, and fusion for the future. As well as scrubbing tech to scrub methan and cO2.

Edit: reason for saying hyperbole doesn’t help is the fact that I know some people who have literally taken it to mean the earth will be a lifeless rock like the moon.

 

[Ban-jani]

My point is clear. We are, in my eyes past the point of no return. Cutting cO2 to zero around the globe instantly will not stop climate change. It may slow it down a bit but the simple fact that methane is now literally exploding from the ground in Siberia, caused by melting permafrost s a clear sign we have gone too far. Add the methan leaks from fracking int the mix as well. Methane is 30x more dangerous as a green house gas than c02 so we’re snowballing as we speak.

We need to be investing in clean energy to slow things down, and fusion for the future. As well as scrubbing tech to scrub methan and cO2.

Are you basing that on anything?

The majority of climate scientists think we will be ok if we act now. They’ve put a decade on it.

Having a certain amount of carbon in the atmosphere is good but it’s when we get to 1.5 degrees+ increase.

Again, I’ll ask - what choice do we have but to act now and act drastically?