Protests against prorogation of Parliament

gandalfthebrave said:
How so?

By your logic, either outcome would have been selfish?
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You are ascribing my motivations for wanting to remain to those who have expressed a view based on their own econonic self-interest. That wasn't my main motivation for wishing to remain, although it's right to say it was a significant factor.

I've never viewed our membership of the EU purely in terms of what the UK, and therefore by extension, me, can get out of it. I've never resented the '£350 million a week' in negative terms, representing as it does, about £4 a week out of my pocket; I've also never been concerned about the odd rule around commerce being determined elsewhere, because I've cast my eyes upon a continent previously at perpetual war, and a collection of nation states where travel between them was previously much more cumbersome and unwieldy and I've considered what direction the human race needs to travel in if it's going to survive and I've arrived at the conclusion that four quid a week is a price worth paying for all that, even if it means enduring straight bananas.

So, I believe my perspective on this issue isn't entirely grounded in selfishness, but I'm happy to be corrected on that, and I'm equally happy for you to rebut my foregoing assertion and explain to me why deciding to leave the EU isn't an act grounded in national selfishness.
The perfect fumble said:
Yes.

Sadiq Khan flogged them to help fund youth projects.

Sadiq made the decision to sell the cannon in December 2016, after revealing that the previous Mayor had paid the German Federal Police £85,000 for the machines in June 2014 – without having secured official approval to use them on the streets of the capital.

Costs incurred by the previous Mayor spiralled to an additional £240,000 to bring them up to scratch, which proved a costly mistake as former Home Secretary, Theresa May, refused permission for their use in London in July 2015. Despite the fact they are illegal to use in the UK, it cost more than £322,000 to purchase, fit-out and repair the redundant vehicles.

The water cannon have been on the market since December 2016 and have now been sold to Reclamations (Ollerton) Ltd for £11,025 – all of which will be directed towards vital frontline youth and community services as part of the Mayor’s Young Londoners Fund, which is helping thousands of children and teenagers in the capital by providing much-needed activities lost because of government cuts.
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Johnson's a ****, but £332k is neither here nor there in the scheme of things.
 
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gordondaviesmoustache said:
You are ascribing my motivations for wanting to remain to those who have expressed a view based on their own econonic self-interest. That perception s founded upon

I've never vowed our membership of the EU purely in terms of what the UK, and therefore by extension, me, can get out of it. I've never resented the £350 million a week in negative terms, representing as it does, about £4 a week out of my pocket, I've never been concerned that the odd rule around commerce in governed elsewhere, because I've cast my eyes upon a continent previously at perpetual war, and a collection of nation states where travel between them was previously much more cumbersome and unwieldy and I've considered what direction the human race needs to travel in if it's going to survive and I've arrived at the conclusion that four quid a week is a price worth paying for that, even if it means enduring straight bananas.

So, I believe my perspective on this issue isn't entirely grounded in selfishness, but I'm happy to be corrected on that, and I'm equally happy for you to rebut my foregoing assertion and explain to me why deciding to leave the EU isn't an act grounded in national selfishness.

Johnson's a ****, but £332k is neither here nor there in the scheme of things.
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£332k would have gone a long way to cladding grenfell in something less flammable.
 
gandalfthebrave said:
I’m 29 and I’ve spent the last 10 years building a business to 8 figure turnover. I employ staff from various countries in the EU and outside of the EU. My import costs are through the roof due to the weakened GBP (and a strong USD doesn’t help) but the more Brexit is thwarted the more my resolve is hardened to see us out of the EU.

The only thing costing jobs right now is the extended period of limbo due to MPs dragging their heels along every step of the way when it comes to actually leaving the EU.

I live with risk every day, so do lots of other people. We have to deal with it, and so do you.

Generally I find Remainers to be the most selfish people I’ve ever encountered. Me me me. Money money money. Career career career. No attempt to hide their contempt for anyone of a different opinion to them.

In the short term Brexit will cost me a lot of money and opportunities, but in the longer term I believe that leaving the EU is absolutely the right thing to do.
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Wait until you see what tariffs, service restrictions and non tariff barriers will do to your costs.
 
Speaking about Grenfell and water cannons, why didn't they give it to the fire department seems like they might be able to use em?

Granted, he wouldn't be able to motivate fire fighters to spray protesters from the streets.
 
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