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[SWP's back]

If you would care to study Agincourt we were greatly outnumbered and the normal battle plan went out the window tha knights and nobles dismounted and sent their horses to the rear took up the bow and fired volley after volley into the massed French armoured knights this stopped them dead in the mud ,only after that did the English nobles wade in with the rest of the army and a bloody mud spattered 5 hour slog with swords and axes took place.

Find me one reputable source that states that archers ever had their fingers cut off.

As for your post above, first fucking lol at the "if you would care to study Azincort", second that is plainly not true. Try reading

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Agincourt-Campaign-Battle-Juliet-Barker/dp/034911918X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1344590507&sr=1-1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.amazon.co.uk/Agincourt-Campa ... 507&sr=1-1</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Face-Battle-Study-Agincourt-Waterloo/dp/1844137481/ref=sr_1_6?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1344590507&sr=1-6" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.amazon.co.uk/Face-Battle-Stu ... 507&sr=1-6</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Agincourt-1415-Michael-K-Jones/dp/1844152510/ref=sr_1_8?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1344590507&sr=1-8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.amazon.co.uk/Agincourt-1415- ... 507&sr=1-8</a>

and my favourite:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Agincourt-1415-Triumph-Against-Campaign/dp/1855321327/ref=sr_1_7?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1344590507&sr=1-7" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.amazon.co.uk/Agincourt-1415- ... 507&sr=1-7</a>

The knights and noblemen (ie the Men at Arms) did not "dismount and take up the bow", for a start they were not armed with bows and secondly, that is the reason they had fucking archers in the first place, to take up the bow. I have not read one book from the half dozen I have read on the subject that ever suggests otherwise. Also, 90% of the men at arms weren't on horseback in the first place so would have had no horsey to get off.

Unless, again, you have a source.

(ps - If after you have read those historical dissections and studies and fancy an historical fiction book on the subject, "Azincort" by Bernard Cornwell is an ok read.

YES i have a very reliable source Mr Foster my history teacher circa Salford grammar school year 4a 1970 yes im that old.
The guide who took us around Agincourt was not some bored frenchman but a very informed Swiss ex papal guard who was very interested in the subject he was lecturing on and let us know that the hundred years war was one of his lifetime passions.
Ihave read in numerous books all what i have been taught at school unfortunately i cannot recall the name of every book i have read but i think one was by that actor Robert hardy who if im not mistaken is an accomplished longbow man and authority on the subject.
I also recall a documentry years ago with Hardy in it all waving 2 fingers at the camera so theyv got it all wrong as well.
Dont ask me to go round looking for the names of books as i now live in Cyprus i would be lucky to find a copy of the daily mail here

Lol, fair play, you made me laugh.

But on a serious note,

-the men at arms did not take up the bow. There may well have been men at arms that were a decent shot, but archers were a rare breed and needed constant training and practice (hence no other country being able to match the English & Welsh in the discipline as it had to be taught and practiced daily from early childhood to build the enormous muscles needed to pull a 6ft longbow back to the ear. So much muscles that skeletons on archers show huge deformation)

-the V sign is not from the hundred years war and no evidence has ever been found that shows archers has their fingers cut off. They were simply killed.

If you are interested, this is a great read on the subject.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-English-Longbowman-1330-1515-Warrior/dp/1855324911/ref=pd_sim_b_6" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-English-Lon ... pd_sim_b_6</a>

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

I thought V was Churchill giving it the old V for Victory after we saved France during the war and defeated the mighty Nazi's who France has just let waltz in their backdoors

 

[allan harper]

I thought V was Churchill giving it the old V for Victory after we saved France during the war and defeated the mighty Nazi's who France has just let waltz in their backdoors

That made me spit my lolly-pop out !

 

[sir baconface]

Wasn't the 'Chop off your fingers' rumour spread amonst his own men by Henry V to give them a bigger sense of importance and let them know how the opposition were seen as desperate to capture and harm any of the archers, more than anyone else?

No. There are no accounts pre dating the 1980's about the "chop your fingers off".

They, being commoners, were simply executed as they held no ransome value. That was more than encouragement enough.

I'm not saying it was something that actually happened. I'm saying wasn't it something Henry V made up and spread amongst his archers to ensure they knew they knew the French wanted them, more than anyone else?

A type of medieval incentive plan? Would like to it dusted down and introduced for bankers.

 

[Shaelumstash]

If you would care to study Agincourt we were greatly outnumbered and the normal battle plan went out the window tha knights and nobles dismounted and sent their horses to the rear took up the bow and fired volley after volley into the massed French armoured knights this stopped them dead in the mud ,only after that did the English nobles wade in with the rest of the army and a bloody mud spattered 5 hour slog with swords and axes took place.

Find me one reputable source that states that archers ever had their fingers cut off.

As for your post above, first fucking lol at the "if you would care to study Azincort", second that is plainly not true. Try reading

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Agincourt-Campaign-Battle-Juliet-Barker/dp/034911918X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1344590507&sr=1-1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.amazon.co.uk/Agincourt-Campa ... 507&sr=1-1</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Face-Battle-Study-Agincourt-Waterloo/dp/1844137481/ref=sr_1_6?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1344590507&sr=1-6" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.amazon.co.uk/Face-Battle-Stu ... 507&sr=1-6</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Agincourt-1415-Michael-K-Jones/dp/1844152510/ref=sr_1_8?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1344590507&sr=1-8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.amazon.co.uk/Agincourt-1415- ... 507&sr=1-8</a>

and my favourite:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Agincourt-1415-Triumph-Against-Campaign/dp/1855321327/ref=sr_1_7?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1344590507&sr=1-7" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.amazon.co.uk/Agincourt-1415- ... 507&sr=1-7</a>

The knights and noblemen (ie the Men at Arms) did not "dismount and take up the bow", for a start they were not armed with bows and secondly, that is the reason they had fucking archers in the first place, to take up the bow. I have not read one book from the half dozen I have read on the subject that ever suggests otherwise. Also, 90% of the men at arms weren't on horseback in the first place so would have had no horsey to get off.

Unless, again, you have a source.

(ps - If after you have read those historical dissections and studies and fancy an historical fiction book on the subject, "Azincort" by Bernard Cornwell is an ok read.

YES i have a very reliable source Mr Foster my history teacher circa Salford grammar school year 4a 1970 yes im that old.
The guide who took us around Agincourt was not some bored frenchman but a very informed Swiss ex papal guard who was very interested in the subject he was lecturing on and let us know that the hundred years war was one of his lifetime passions.
Ihave read in numerous books all what i have been taught at school unfortunately i cannot recall the name of every book i have read but i think one was by that actor Robert hardy who if im not mistaken is an accomplished longbow man and authority on the subject.
I also recall a documentry years ago with Hardy in it all waving 2 fingers at the camera so theyv got it all wrong as well.
Dont ask me to go round looking for the names of books as i now live in Cyprus i would be lucky to find a copy of the daily mail here

You really wouldn't.

 

[SWP's back]

You really wouldn't.

Oh yes, far better the Guardian or some other limp wristed daily.

 

[scotty123]

I thought V was Churchill giving it the old V for Victory after we saved France during the war and defeated the mighty Nazi's who France has just let waltz in their backdoors

oooer missus i wouldnt like the nazis waltzing in my backdoors

 

[SWP's back]

I thought V was Churchill giving it the old V for Victory after we saved France during the war and defeated the mighty Nazi's who France has just let waltz in their backdoors

oooer missus i wouldnt like the nazis waltzing in my backdoors

It's a national sport in France.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

I thought V was Churchill giving it the old V for Victory after we saved France during the war and defeated the mighty Nazi's who France has just let waltz in their backdoors

oooer missus i wouldnt like the nazis waltzing in my backdoors

It's a national sport in France.

Ever since 1940

 

[BillyShears]

This thread has nothing to do with PSG or City. Maybe it should be moved to the cellar.