He went on holiday two days after the attack, recalling his deputy from his holiday in Mexico to deal with the aftermath, then he ended up on gardening leave and on the sick, he disappeared in September and retired in February, I’ll leave you to make your mind up about that.It should read “the officers at the top of the fire service “, it should not be a reflection on the fire fighters on the ground , I have no doubt that you and your colleagues would have attended immediately, no doubt the ex chief left with a healthy pay off and pension .
So you think that it was right that people were dyeing because of no medical help ?WTF are you on about? What do you think paramedics are?
They are not bullet proof, they didn’t have ballistic vests, are you saying everyone should run in en masse, look into terrorism it’s the MO to have a secondary one. Be grateful 3 went in and don’t criticise what you obviously know very little about.So you think that it was right that people were dyeing because of no medical help ?
I think you would feel differently if your child bled to death, no?
Sorry here's me thinking you were the emergency services, how long do you wait for??They are not bullet proof, they didn’t have ballistic vests, are you saying everyone should run in en masse, look into terrorism it’s the MO to have a secondary one. Be grateful 3 went in and don’t criticise what you obviously know very little about.
Emergency service not suicidal, are you trying to wind me up or something because it’s fucking working. You weren’t there and you have no idea about those circumstances. Those that went in knowing they could die, others followed after still not knowing it was clear, I suppose you’d have lived the headline 60 paramedics killed in secondary explosion or by gunmen then you’d say oh they were stupid and should have waited it they knew the risks.Sorry here's me thinking you were the emergency services, how long do you wait for??
No I just expect the emergency services to react to an emergency ? Come on... but its okay for now public to stay inside and help the injured?Emergency service not suicidal, are you trying to wind me up or something because it’s fucking working. You weren’t there and you have no idea about those circumstances. Those that went in knowing they could die, others followed after still not knowing it was clear, I suppose you’d have lived the headline 60 paramedics killed in secondary explosion or by gunmen then you’d say oh they were stupid and should have waited it they knew the risks.
So if 50 paramedics and 50 firemen were asked 15 minutes after the explosion who wants to go in nobody would?Emergency service not suicidal, are you trying to wind me up or something because it’s fucking working. You weren’t there and you have no idea about those circumstances. Those that went in knowing they could die, others followed after still not knowing it was clear, I suppose you’d have lived the headline 60 paramedics killed in secondary explosion or by gunmen then you’d say oh they were stupid and should have waited it they knew the risks.
I'm really not sure you understand how it worked.So you think that it was right that people were dyeing because of no medical help ?
I think you would feel differently if your child bled to death, no?
They would have all gone in, but if you expect 50 paramedics to be there in 15 mins you haven’t a clue, read the post above, like I said you have no idea how it works so don’t criticise when you have no knowledge.So if 50 paramedics and 50 firemen were asked 15 minutes after the explosion who wants to go in nobody would?
I would expect at least half to say yes I'm going in to save lives...
They all went in regardless, how long though? People inside the building said lives would have been saved if paramedics were allowed in?I'm really not sure you understand how it worked.
There was an Advanced Paramedic on the scene very quickly and he provided initial feedback to NWAS, who then mobilised sufficient resources and got them to the holding area as quickly as possible.
His job was then to triage the multiple casualties and to identify the ones that most urgently needed treatment. Those were the first people evacuated to the station foyer, which was the holding area NWAS had set up where they received any initial treatment to enable them to be stabilised & transported to hospitals.
The people who died at the scene were those already dead when the paramedics arrived or anyone who was so seriously injured that their chances of survival, even with immediate and aggressive treatment, was deemed to be negligible. And that's not a decision that was taken lightly or without good reason.
They were working as soon as armed police secured the scene and while they were searching for other devices. I know for a fact that paramedics arriving at the scene were told that the scene wasn't secure and it was their personal choice whether to go in or not. They all went in regardless.
There's nothing in the Kerslake Report that attached any blame or criticism to GMP or NWAS but maybe he should have talked to you & you could have put him right.