Public enquiry into Manchester bombing

[hilts]

I wish they would stop saying the fire service as a whole it makes it sound like they were all playing table tennis and couldn’t be arsed.

 

[Blue Maverick]

I wish they would stop saying the fire service as a whole it makes it sound like they were all playing table tennis and couldn’t be arsed.

To be fair mate the responses I’ve seen after the 22nd and today all know where the blame lies, doesn’t make us feel any better that we didn’t go but it does that people can see it wasn’t the troops

 

[pride in battle]

You've no fucking idea what you're talking about. In fact I'd say you're talking out of your arse, which is quite appropriate for an arsehole.

And you do, don't make me laugh, Mr up your own arse strikes again...
Stick to the fucking bean counting there's a good chap.

 

[Machiavelli]

To be fair mate the responses I’ve seen after the 22nd and today all know where the blame lies, doesn’t make us feel any better that we didn’t go but it does that people can see it wasn’t the troops

I think everyone realises it’s the top brass mate. Emergency services’ frontline staff follow orders from them so any decisions made (right or wrong) come from them and they have to carry the can.

 

[hilts]

To be fair mate the responses I’ve seen after the 22nd and today all know where the blame lies, doesn’t make us feel any better that we didn’t go but it does that people can see it wasn’t the troops

Was talking more about the headlines on the news today anyone just grabbing the headlines won’t get the full picture.

 

[inchy14]

I think everyone realises it’s the top brass mate. Emergency services’ frontline staff follow orders from them so any decisions made (right or wrong) come from them and they have to carry the can.

Reading some posts on here I’m not sure they all do. Top brass at the fire service are to blame here, plus the one size fits all protocols that were followed. No two incidents are ever the same, people in charge in ALL our services should be run by people who have first hand knowledge of what goes on not just pen pushers.

 

[Machiavelli]

Reading some posts on here I’m not sure they all do. Top brass at the fire service are to blame here, plus the one size fits all protocols that were followed. No two incidents are ever the same, people in charge in ALL our services should be run by people who have first hand knowledge of what goes on not just pen pushers.

That will never happen. Jobs for the boys.

 

[inchy14]

That will never happen. Jobs for the boys.

I agree but doubt the fire brigade would have been left stood around if it were to be the case.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Reading some posts on here I’m not sure they all do. Top brass at the fire service are to blame here, plus the one size fits all protocols that were followed. No two incidents are ever the same, people in charge in ALL our services should be run by people who have first hand knowledge of what goes on not just pen pushers.

They have plans but you can never take into account every contingency and even the best laid plans can go wrong in the heat of the moment. As it happens, the one-size-fits-all approach for a terror incident, which involved no-one going in until the scene was declared clear by the police, was over-ridden by the GMP Commander at the scene. He was happy to allow emergency crews to work once he felt there were sufficient armed officers on site to guard against any further attacks. And they were looking for more explosive devices while crews were treating victims. Had he not done that, the death toll would have probably been much higher. My daughter wasn't at the scene but many of her colleagues were and they reckon they saved everyone they treated.

And while most of the criticism of the emergency services was directed at GMFRS, the main practical use they could have been was to transport victims from the Arena foyer to the casualty clearing station on the station concourse. So I don't think any lives were lost because there were no firemen there, although it would have relieved some of the pressure on police & paramedics.

 

[Blue Maverick]

They have plans but you can never take into account every contingency and even the best laid plans can go wrong in the heat of the moment. As it happens, the one-size-fits-all approach for a terror incident, which involved no-one going in until the scene was declared clear by the police, was over-ridden by the GMP Commander at the scene. He was happy to allow emergency crews to work once he felt there were sufficient armed officers on site to guard against any further attacks. And they were looking for more explosive devices while crews were treating victims. Had he not done that, the death toll would have probably been much higher. My daughter wasn't at the scene but many of her colleagues were and they reckon they saved everyone they treated.

And while most of the criticism of the emergency services was directed at GMFRS, the main practical use they could have been was to transport victims from the Arena foyer to the casualty clearing station on the station concourse. So I don't think any lives were lost because there were no firemen there, although it would have relieved some of the pressure on police & paramedics.

Absolutely agree although we aren’t trained to the high standard of paramedics many of us are trauma technicians who they were screaming for they know we can do a bit more than stretcher bearing, would we have saved anyone, who knows but what I do know is would have done everything we possibly could.