Queen Elizabeth II

FantasyIreland said:
Not while many still wish to convey their respect,something that has been sadly lacking from a few cretins.
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Even as an Irish republican, your queen was a decent skin and I've a lot of respect for her, she's a loss to the world.
 
FantasyIreland said:
Undoubtedly,and irrespective of your beliefs in life,its fucking potty that such a fact is not universally recognised and a basic level of respect and decency applied.

The turds in society have well and truly outed themselves over the past couple of weeks.
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Leave them to it, we know who they are
 
aguero93:20 said:
Republican as they come and an Irish nationalist but I'd a lot of respect for the lizard queen.
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Me too. Not an inveterate Royalist by any means (and I think they’ve got a real fight on their hands to survive) but I believe she was a highly benign individual who used (and tried to use) the power she had to make the lives of others happier than they otherwise would have been - and (not in a pejorative sense) was a Christian person (which most people who practise that religion, aren’t).

The reaction to her death was far more a reflection of her character and personality than the position she inherited, certainly from this quarter.

She possessed so many admirable qualities as a person.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Me too. Not an inveterate Royalist by any means (and I think they’ve got a real fight on their hands to survive) but I believe she was a highly benign individual who used (and tried to use) the power she had to make the lives of others happier than they otherwise would have been - and (not in a pejorative sense) was a Christian person (which most people who practise that religion, aren’t).

The reaction to her death was far more a reflection of her character and personality than the position she inherited, certainly from this quarter.

She possessed so many admirable qualities as a person.
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Yeah for me it's more respect for the person than the institution.
 
FantasyIreland said:
Undoubtedly,and irrespective of your beliefs in life,its fucking potty that such a fact is not universally recognised and a basic level of respect and decency applied.

The turds in society have well and truly outed themselves over the past couple of weeks.
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"Why doesn't everyone share the same views as me?"

It’s not a fact it is an opinion, whether you agree with it or not.
 
I have never witnessed such censorship in the UK.
One can be respectful to the Queen while criticising the scale and manner of coverage and the nature of monarchy.
I don't personally know anyone who has ever met her but so many speak of her wonderful personal qualities, and it is this 'myth creation' that seems to be at the centre of so many objections rather than any criticism of her personally.
 
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oldius said:
I have never witnessed such censorship in the UK.
One can be respectful to the Queen while criticising the scale and manner of coverage and the nature of monarchy.
I don't personally know anyone who has ever met her but so many speak of her wonderful personal qualities, and it is this 'myth creation' that seems to be at the centre of so many objections, rather than any criticism of her personally.
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It was far worse when Philip died, some of the propaganda bigging him up verged on the obscene.

He was a very flawed individual and did not deserve the respect that was forced upon one and all by the BBC, the Queen was the complete opposite, a very decent Lady who earned Her respect.
 
Keeper! said:
It was far worse when Philip died, some of the propaganda bigging him up verged on the obscene.

He was a very flawed individual and did not deserve the respect that was forced upon one and all by the BBC, the Queen was the complete opposite, a very decent Lady who earned Her respect.
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What was it that drew you to the conclusion that the Queen was a very decent lady? I personally have no idea whether she was, or not, so I can neither praise not criticise her.
 
oldius said:
What was it that drew you to the conclusion that the Queen was a very decent lady? I personally have no idea whether she was, or not, so I can neither praise not criticise her.
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Her reputation worldwide, and Her reputation far closer to home probably even more so.

I would say her reputation from Sinn Féin says a lot about her, this week some very senior figures from that group gave her genuine respect, which to me says a lot, it also said so much when she went to Ireland during the peace agreement and had to meet and greet people that were directly involved in murdering a member of her family.

Her last day earth she spent doing her duty, again says a lot about her as a person.

I am not a Royalist and the rest of her family I would happily be rid of and quickly, but she was one I could respect.
 
Keeper! said:
Her reputation worldwide, and Her reputation far closer to home probably even more so.

I would say her reputation from Sinn Féin says a lot about her, this week some very senior figures from that group gave her genuine respect, which to me says a lot, it also said so much when she went to Ireland during the peace agreement and had to meet and greet people that were directly involved in murdering a member of her family.

Her last day earth she spent doing her duty, again says a lot about her as a person.

I am not a Royalist and the rest of her family I would happily be rid of and quickly, but she was one I could respect.
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I can understand that perspective and, undoubtedly, her visit played an important, symbolic role. I understand that others were significantly more important in terms of driving the process, however: John Hulme, Gerry Adams, John Major, Mo Mowlem et al.

The debate about Ireland will linger on, and I am of Irish heritage personally, so whether you consider it the first English colony, or an important part of the union will, undoubtedly, colour your opinion.
 
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